Ragedancer wrote on Sep 15^th, 2012 at 3:38pm:


I never played lineage, but GW2 is way better than GW1.  It's not the same feel at all, and I think that's a good thing, because honestly GW1 sucked.  Combat is much more active.  Dodging and twitch skills are really important.

AtomicMew wrote on Sep 15^th, 2012 at 5:11pm:


The fact that they have the same 1-5 skills doesn't make them play the same though.
My Elementalist uses d/d, and it plays VERY differently from most other d/d Eles specifically because of my traits.  He's traited so that when he dances tyhrough his attunements and uses certain skills, he gets a shitload of boons.  Almost infinite swiftness/fury/vigor, reliable regen, so much might it's fucking ridiculous [I'm talking I've seen 18 stacks so far], on demand protection and stability, etc.
These things make him play very fast and loose, unlike many other d/d Eles which tend to be glass cannon builds.
Traits make much more of a difference than you're giving them credit for.
But you played a few hours with Trols and got up to level 25, so you must know what you're talking about.  I mean, you opened the first tier of your traits, and even spent a few points, so you saw how much of an impact they could have....

Smrti wrote on Sep 15^th, 2012 at 8:58pm:


I'd have trouble with the whole pistol concept.  I don't like that much technology in my fantasy gaming.  Part of why I always disliked Eberron and Warforged and hated Artificers and rune arms and Iron/Mithril/Whatever Defenders.  I'd much rather have Gnomes than Warforged (or Tieflings).  I'd much rather have Cavaliers, Assassins(as a class, not a PrE), Warlocks, Warlords, or some other fantasy class than Artis.  The rune arm is annoying enough.  An actual pistol or two of them?  No, thanks.

AtomicMew wrote on Sep 15^th, 2012 at 10:40pm:

Yep you're right.  I can't admit that it has flaws.
Oh, wait, I admitted that in this very thread.

Cale wrote on Sep 13^th, 2012 at 10:23pm:

Nope, you just don't give credit where credit is due.
As to the Thief spamming DB, you're doing it wrong.  Spamming that skill and wasting all of your Ini is stupid play, because spamming your most damaging attack is not always the best idea.  In fact, it almost never is.  It's no wonder you weren't enjoying yourself.

AtomicMew wrote on Sep 16^th, 2012 at 12:55am:


Whoa, hey. Where do you think you are? Not cool.

Asheras wrote on Sep 15^th, 2012 at 9:31pm:

I was a bit worried about this as well to begin with, but they actually did it fairly well.  They usually have flintlock like skins [with the exception of Asuran made firearms] and they aren't overpowered compared to, say, a bow.

AtomicMew wrote on Sep 16^th, 2012 at 12:55am:

I didn't say you were wrong because you suck, Nancy.  I said you thought that there was no variation because you were spamming the same skill and not using all the tools at your disposal.
Q:  Whose fault is it that there is no variation of all you're doing is hitting the same button over and over again?
A:  It's your own fucking fault.
Don't ignore other options available for use and then claim that there is no variety available.  That's just fucking stupid.

And how exactly is your Pale Master so much more fucking distinctive and unique from anyone else's Pale Master?  You spam CoD, FoD, Wail, etc etc etc, just like every other fucking PM in Eberron.  The difference is in the details, and the details are in the Traits.  Ignoring them and saying there are only xXx number of weapons to choose from completely invalidates your argument that there are only a handful of options.  It's like saying there is only one way to build a PM, because all you're ever going to cast are instakill spells.

Cale wrote on Sep 16^th, 2012 at 2:50am:

Even if I were to use the other 3 skills more often, it would still be the same 4 skills as every body else (I don't consider #1, i.e., auto attack an actual skill).  It doesn't matter if it's 1 skill,4 skills or 5 skills, the point being it's the same skills all the time. 

Also, off topic, but spamming death blossom is pretty much what you want to do as an assassin.  And that's because DB spam is the highest damage per initiative.  Not only is it the highest DPI, but it also has built in evade.  Same thing as in GW1, DB spam was the highest DPS possible and that hasn't changed.  In PvE, heartseeker is basically a gap closer and cleanup of lone targets after the fight has been decided anyway. 

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In DDO, my wizard uses up to 16 spells that I actively use, not even including buffs and forms.  I can also choose to swap in any spell and put it on my main bar at any time.  In GW2, your weapon skills are always 1-5.  Your self heal is always 6.  The elite skill is always 10.  Not sure how you can argue that GW2 has the same amount of customization as DDO, the difference is extremely tangible.

AtomicMew wrote on Sep 16^th, 2012 at 6:49am:

This just proves that you have no idea what you're talking about.  More on that below.

AtomicMew wrote on Sep 16^th, 2012 at 6:49am:

Wrong again.  Backstab is the highest DPS for a d/d Thief.  Not only is it the highest DPS per initiative [because it costs zero Ini], but it's the highest DPS attack in their arsenal period.
Not only that, but spamming DB will leave you zero Ini when you need to use a different skill.  Having the right skill available when you need it is where skill comes into play, and if you spam DB you will never have the right skill available.
Thieves that spam DP are what the PvPers call Baddies.

AtomicMew wrote on Sep 16^th, 2012 at 6:49am:

Fire attunement, five skills.
Water attunement, five skills.
Air attunement, five skills.
Earth attunement, five skills.
Heal.
Three utilities.
One elite.
That's twenty five available skills, assuming none of the three Utilities were Conjures.
How many spells and forms does your wizard actively use again?
Even if we're not talking about an Elementalist [which would be the proper comparison for your Wizard], other professions have:
Five on the first weapon set.
Five on the second weapon set.
One heal.
Three Utilities.
One Elite.
One-to-four Professional skills.
So that's an average of between sixteen and nineteen for other professions.
So once again, How many spells and forms did you say your wizard actively uses?
I can also choose to change weapons, utilites, and elites at any time that I'm out of combat, just like you can.

You aren't accounting for everything available again.  Sixteen vs five is not a valid comparison.  If you can actually start to use facts to support your argument then I might take your argument seriously.

And I never said it had the same amount of customization as DDO.  I said it had a HELL of a lot more customization than you're giving it credit for.

It's the same client that was used for Beta.  We didn't have to download a new client at launch.  It was just updated properly.
Try here
https://account.guildwars2.com/download

I thought it was better for the first 2-3 weeks. But now i am kinda stumped. There is no fucking end game once you cap in GW2..

Combine that with the worst fucking last mission in the history of gaming. ( tops mass effect 3 in my books.) And this game is shit ! The last mission in my personal story really was a let down. I cannot say i have ever been so let down in my life playing games! To have such a great game up to that point is really underwhelming.

Basically from what i can see is guild wars was just a flavor of the month. Kinda like Diablo 3, Skyrim and dragons dogma. Once you actually cap there is  fuck all to do. All my friends are in the same boat. Bored done and moved back to their mmo of choice. Half the folks i know are going back to wow to be a fucking panda! GW2 is already losing players fast!

Sure Turbine has been eating their own two feet lately. I agree on that front. Pretty hard to stay enthusiastic about DDO in its current state. The grind still scares folks away along with all the bugs. But in the end, that grind is what keeps us playing. That is something that guild wars does not really have. Its end game is pvp and WvsW

It is a different game. Has some cool stuff but is it a ddo killer. Not really.

You guys will be in my shoes soon enough. If you enjoy the journey to cap then you will love Guild wars. But if you are a end game player, You will grow bored fast!

Moving back to ddo! It is home! Guild wars 2 was just a distraction like all the other games!

I am glad Cale found it so great. power to him, But this game is not for me. I can safely say it was a big letdown. I expected more just like all those other ddo killers out there. In the end i just have another box on my shelf collecting dust!

pissedoffonArgo wrote on Sep 16^th, 2012 at 4:18pm:


End game is "Guild Wars", it's right in the title.

wowo wrote on Sep 16^th, 2012 at 6:04pm:

LMFAO
You should have opened with this.

As to the rest of it, Yeah, I totally buy it.  You actually regularly use all 200 of those hotbar slots.
Nice try dude.
But even if you did, which there's no fucking way that you do, but even if you did you said yourself that you're "constantly looking for ways to cut down" on that shit.
If you want to cut it down, why is it somehow a selling point that it's even possible?  If it's so awesome, why are you looking to cut down on it?  That's backwards logic bro.

It is very difficult to compete with turbines combat engine in ddo.  I still login to run some stuff just because I love the combat engine that much.  The rest of ddo onth, has become the greatest failure any mmo out there has ever done.