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Reply #525 - Dec 22nd, 2012 at 7:14am
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livefreeordie wrote on Dec 20th, 2012 at 11:29am:
I liked this JP much more then the Halloween one, as was able to finish it last night.


This JP sucks my fucking ass compared to the Clocktower.
The Clocktower was fucking epic.  For those of you that may not know (if any of you are even reading this) the Mad King's Clocktower for Halloween was a jumping puzzle (basically a platform style Mario-ish area) that was timed.  You had to navigate the jumps without stopping.  The background spun as you climbed the gears and cogs toward the top, so you couldn't see what was coming more than a jump or two ahead.  The Tower was effectively sinking into a pool of acid as well, so if you stopped for more than a second or two, you died.  There were many upon many gears and cogs which were red herrings, so choosing the wrong jump (which was quite common until you learned where you were going) meant you died.
It was approximately a two minute puzzle from beginning to end.  I'm a decent (but not great) Mario platformer.  It took me three and a half fucking HOURS to get this two minute puzzle right the first time.  The reward was a couple of random gen items, some cash, some karma (another form of currency), and some specific exotic boots/slippers which were not available anywhere else.
Once I got the hang of it I got Slippers on all eight toons in a matter of an hour and a half approximately.
It took quick thinking and quick reflexes.  Each time you ran it you got a little better at it and moved a little further.  The skill window for it appeared deceptively higher than it really was.  It was difficult, but it had a steep learning curve which, once learned, took away almost all of the difficulty.
It was one of the best, most challenging, most frustratingly addictively fun experiences I've ever had while playing an MMO.  The first completion was also one of the most rewarding feelings I've ever experienced in an MMO.
People cried and whined and complained that it was too hard.

This Wintersday JP.... I got it on my second try, and the rewards were basically nonexistent.
The JP was the thing I was looking forward to most for the festival, and it was total fucking rubbish compared to the Clocktower.  The crybabies ruined it and turned it into a fucking joke.
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Re: Why GW2 is better than DDO
Reply #526 - Dec 22nd, 2012 at 9:55am
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Cale wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 7:14am:
People cried and whined and complained that it was too hard.

The crybabies ruined it and turned it into a fucking joke.


and this is the appeal of gw2, same as gw1 an easy game set up for lowest common denominator, everyone feels like a winner
  

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Reply #527 - Dec 22nd, 2012 at 10:48am
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Meh, I found the mad king one boring, just the same puzzle going up.  The winter one had changing parts that was pretty neat.

Not happy about this

"Changed the “Toypocalypse Cancelled” achievement so that only one gift dolyak needs to survive the activity instead of all five."

It was easy enough to get all five, not sure why it needs to be so a rock can get it too...
  
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Re: Why GW2 is better than DDO
Reply #528 - Dec 22nd, 2012 at 11:28am
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livefreeordie wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 10:48am:
I liked this JP much more then the Halloween one, as was able to finish it last night.

Meh, I found the mad king one boring, just the same puzzle going up.  The winter one had changing parts that was pretty neat.


I'll interpret these two together as:
"I couldn't complete the Halloween one, so I'm going to call it boring.  I could, however, complete the Wintersday one, so I'll say that I liked it better."

I interpret it that way because no one in their right mind could possibly consider the Clocktower boring if they actually enjoyed the Wintersday JP.  This Wintersday JP is so unbelievably boring in comparison that it's ridiculous.  One was challenging, while one was not challenging.
Which one would be the boring one of the two?
  

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Reply #529 - Dec 22nd, 2012 at 11:32am
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Complex differential equations are "challenging". Pornography is not. Which is the more enjoyable of the two?
  
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Reply #530 - Dec 22nd, 2012 at 11:39am
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Complex differential equations are "challenging". Pornography is not. Which is the more enjoyable of the two?


Nice try.
If complex differential equations and pornography had the same goals, then maybe you could compare them.  Unfortunately for your example they do not, and as such cannot be compared.

We're talking about a game, not comparing math and porn.
A better example would be to say that chess is challenging, while tic tac toe is not.  Which is the more boring of the two?
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Reply #531 - Dec 22nd, 2012 at 11:53am
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Cale wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 11:39am:
Nice try.
If complex differential equations and pornography had the same goals, then maybe you could compare them.  Unfortunately for your example they do not, and as such cannot be compared.

We're talking about a game, not comparing math and porn.
A better example would be to say that chess is challenging, while tic tac toe is not.  Which is the more boring of the two?


What if you were playing chess with a large breasted bimbo cheerleader?
  

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Reply #532 - Dec 22nd, 2012 at 11:57am
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JC wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 11:53am:

What if you were playing chess with a large breasted bimbo cheerleader?

yes please

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Re: Why GW2 is better than DDO
Reply #533 - Dec 22nd, 2012 at 2:27pm
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Cale wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 7:14am:
This JP sucks my fucking ass compared to the Clocktower.

Agreed, the Wintersday one was still fun though. Nice way to farm gifts, and always fun to see people saying that it is impossible lol.
  

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Reply #534 - Dec 23rd, 2012 at 12:08am
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I definitely agree the clocktower was better than the wintersday puzzle.  I couldn't believe how much easier the wintersday jp was compared to Halloween.  I was hoping for a unique item or skin as an end reward, but I think the rewards matched the difficulty
  
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Reply #535 - Dec 23rd, 2012 at 12:56am
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Exactly, which is to say that the Clocktower HAD a reward....
  

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Reply #536 - Dec 23rd, 2012 at 6:46am
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Cale wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 11:57am:

The funny part is that the board isn't even set up properly.
  
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Reply #537 - Dec 25th, 2012 at 1:19pm
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Gave in and just bought it on an Amazon special for $30.
  

            
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Reply #538 - Dec 25th, 2012 at 2:03pm
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Bill Z Bubb wrote on Dec 25th, 2012 at 1:19pm:
Gave in and just bought it on an Amazon special for $30.


Oooh. I really need to get that sucker downloading.
  
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Reply #539 - Dec 25th, 2012 at 5:49pm
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I liked the atmosphere in this one.  Inside the mystic forge snow globe and at the end with the ginger bread people.

Snowball fight was entertaining.  Wish mad king had somthing like stab the other players or something along the lines while we waited.

Puzzle this time was a bit too easy though.
  

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Reply #540 - Dec 25th, 2012 at 6:59pm
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Cale wrote on Dec 23rd, 2012 at 12:56am:
Exactly, which is to say that the Clocktower HAD a reward....

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Reply #541 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 1:57am
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AtomicMew wrote on Dec 23rd, 2012 at 6:46am:
The funny part is that the board isn't even set up properly. 

There was a board there?  Next thing you will say is that there are words in the picture. Tongue

  
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Reply #542 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 4:16pm
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50 percent or so....

Noob question -rl friends want me to go to far Silverpeaks or summat, if I do this I can decide to come  visit dragonbrand or summat, no?
  
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Reply #543 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 6:33pm
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Terebinthia wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 4:16pm:
50 percent or so....

Noob question -rl friends want me to go to far Silverpeaks or summat, if I do this I can decide to come  visit dragonbrand or summat, no?

Right now they are having free server transfers.  I have a few friends on different servers and I'm able to run dungeons with them (private party instances for a group of 5) and can send tells, but can't run with them out in the open world.  There will eventually be "guesting" where you can roll up a character on another server as someone's guest to run with them, but I haven't seen any announcement as to when that's expected.

So, for the most part, no, you won't be able to go back and forth.  Most of the leveling is in the open world instances, so you won't be able to group with other-server people there.  The first dungeon is available to you at level 30, then levels 40, 50, 60, 70, 76, 78, 80 as story mode and these are the ones that you can run with people from other servers.
  
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Reply #544 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 6:38pm
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Right now they are having free server transfers.  I have a few friends on different servers and I'm able to run dungeons with them (private party instances for a group of 5) and can send tells, but can't run with them out in the open world.  There will eventually be "guesting" where you can roll up a character on another server as someone's guest to run with them, but I haven't seen any announcement as to when that's expected.

So, for the most part, no, you won't be able to go back and forth.  Most of the leveling is in the open world instances, so you won't be able to group with other-server people there.  The first dungeon is available to you at level 30, then levels 40, 50, 60, 70, 76, 78, 80 as story mode and these are the ones that you can run with people from other servers.

Argh. Can I roll up stuffs on different servers? Also, what the hell is closest to melee hybid caster oriented debuffer capabable self healing offensive caster on there?

  
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Reply #545 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 7:05pm
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Terebinthia wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 6:38pm:
Argh. Can I roll up stuffs on different servers? Also, what the hell is closest to melee hybid caster oriented debuffer capabable self healing offensive caster on there?


Nope, you pick a server and that's where any and all characters created go. 

You can play a greatsword-wielding mesmer!
  
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Reply #546 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 7:28pm
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Terebinthia wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 6:38pm:
Argh. Can I roll up stuffs on different servers? Also, what the hell is closest to melee hybid caster oriented debuffer capabable self healing offensive caster on there?

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Yes, definitely Mesmer.
But a warning: Mesmers start off slow and don't really start to get good until you get a bunch of traits.  Leveling a Mes can be pretty annoying for a while.  But from your description you definitely want to play a Mesmer.
But instead of greatsword, I'd recommend staff.  In a Mesmer's hands a greatsword is actually a ranged weapon, and if you're looking for debuffs, staff fits the bill much better.

For your melee weapon (from swap) you'll want a sword main hand, coupled with whatever you decide you like best in your off hand.  Sword is the Mesmer's only real melee option, but it's all they need because it's ridiculously powerful with a ton of survivability once you get the hang of using it properly.
For your off hand, focus is mediocre in my opinion.  Torch is situational.  You'll see many people claiming pistol is the best, but I prefer dual swords.
The Phantasmal Duelist from pistol is indeed powerful, but it's stationary.  The tooltip lists damage as (8x)144.  The second ability is Magic Bullet, which stuns/dazes/blinds targets that it hits (in that order - it bounces).  MB is a projectile finisher.
The Phantasmal Swordsman's damage is listed as 487 (which is obviously less than (8x)144), but he attacks almost twice as fast so that makes up most of the difference right there.  He also leaps in to attack, then leaps back again, keeping distance between himself and the target.  This means when the target moves out of range of the Duelist he becomes useless.  The Swordsman follows his target, but stays at range enough to survive it.  This keeps him in the fight longer, which makes up the rest of the difference in damage.  It is also a leap finisher, which is far better than a projectile finisher.  The other off hand sword skill is a 2s block, which you can turn into a ranged Daze in a line AoE.
Better survivability for your Phantasm, similar damage from him, more utility/survivabilty for you, and a better finisher.  Dual swords are better than sword/pistol in my eyes.  No question about it.
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Reply #547 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 9:06pm
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Cale wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 7:28pm:
Yes, definitely Mesmer.
But a warning: Mesmers start off slow and don't really start to get good until you get a bunch of traits.  Leveling a Mes can be pretty annoying for a while.  But from your description you definitely want to play a Mesmer.
But instead of greatsword, I'd recommend staff.  In a Mesmer's hands a greatsword is actually a ranged weapon, and if you're looking for debuffs, staff fits the bill much better.

For your melee weapon (from swap) you'll want a sword main hand, coupled with whatever you decide you like best in your off hand.  Sword is the Mesmer's only real melee option, but it's all they need because it's ridiculously powerful with a ton of survivability once you get the hang of using it properly.
For your off hand, focus is mediocre in my opinion.  Torch is situational.  You'll see many people claiming pistol is the best, but I prefer dual swords.
The Phantasmal Duelist from pistol is indeed powerful, but it's stationary.  The tooltip lists damage as (8x)144.  The second ability is Magic Bullet, which stuns/dazes/blinds targets that it hits (in that order - it bounces).  MB is a projectile finisher.
The Phantasmal Swordsman's damage is listed as 487 (which is obviously less than (8x)144), but he attacks almost twice as fast so that makes up most of the difference right there.  He also leaps in to attack, then leaps back again, keeping distance between himself and the target.  This means when the target moves out of range of the Duelist he becomes useless.  The Swordsman follows his target, but stays at range enough to survive it.  This keeps him in the fight longer, which makes up the rest of the difference in damage.  It is also a leap finisher, which is far better than a projectile finisher.  The other off hand sword skill is a 2s block, which you can turn into a ranged Daze in a line AoE.
Better survivability for your Phantasm, similar damage from him, more utility/survivabilty for you, and a better finisher.  Dual swords are better than sword/pistol in my eyes.  No question about it.


Mesmer's aren't mobile.

The correct answer is DD elementalist.

EDIT: I'm retarded I saw mobile. But DD elementalist fit the bill, and imo are a lot more fun to play. Very flashy, very fast, very good at soloing.
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Reply #548 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 9:08pm
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Rastelin wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 9:06pm:
Mesmer's aren't mobile.

The correct answer is DD elementalist.

And exactly which part of "melee hybid caster oriented debuffer capabable self healing offensive caster" means that mobility is what she's looking for?
What she described is a Staff & Sword/X Mesmer.

Rastelin wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 9:06pm:
EDIT: I'm retarded I saw mobile. But DD elementalist fit the bill, and imo are a lot more fun to play. Very flashy, very fast, very good at soloing.

I'll definitely agree that a dagger/dagger Ele would suit as well, but to a lesser degree.  But it's also a much higher skill requirement to play effectively so I'm not sure it would be the right way to start.
If she finds the Mes boring (keeping in mind that I already said it was a slow starter) in the later levels, then D/D Ele would be the one to switch to.
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Reply #549 - Dec 27th, 2012 at 7:24am
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Cale wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 7:28pm:

The Phantasmal Duelist from pistol is indeed powerful, but it's stationary.  [/quote]

I'm not sure about this Cale - I watch the duelist move into position when you summon him out of range. Do you mean once he stops moving he doesn't move anymore - cos that I'm not sure of, new to mesmer and all.
  

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