popejubal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 6:18pm:


Feather of suck does have an account and has posted on here.  Don't remember the name, but it's in the thread talking about the layoffs.

LordPiglet wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 6:23pm:



It's the name of his original forum account when he was a player, Solar Dawning.

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Good LORD, I had somehow blocked that out of my mind.  I don't want to see anyone lose their livelyhood, but I do wish that he did a better job of making good things for DDO than he currently does.

Maj, remember the bit where I said that I really don't blame any of the devs or the QA team for Turbine's DDO problems?  Feather of Sun is an exception to that.

Eladiun wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 9:31pm:



Oh sure, but just how successful are those comp...


Oh.

stainer wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 10:47pm:


Put some more salt on the open wound, why dontcha.

stainer wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 10:47pm:


Shade is obviously the man for the job.

Let's get him, Chai, Xynot, and Godh to be on the Turbine advisory panel. I'm sure nothing but good things will happen.

ZeroBoost wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 6:45am:


A pipe bomb?

I appreciate GreyMouser's post.  I may not agree with everything he said either, but he makes some valid points. 

AGREE:  A company cannot build based strictly on customer feedback.  That is a recipe for disaster.  Customers are too short sighted.  Also, not all customers are equal, in terms of the quality of feedback. 

HOWEVER, as several other posters have mentioned, lots of software companies  have user's groups, user councils, or whatever.  My company has a panel of 12 of our customers that we use to get feedback on direction and features.  We are not slaves to them and their comments, but many of the ideas, especially in the area of ease of use, UI, and "look and feel" are very helpful.  The general forums are a poor place to get design feedback.  Turbine needs a better way.

AGREE:  Customers who insult the employees are going to be ignored.  If your goal is to release some pent up anger, feel free to cuss out the team and act like an ass.  If your goal is to be heard on your ideas and suggestions, then present it with some logic and persuasiveness.  You cannot do both.  The two goals are mutually exclusive.  You cannot be an ass and get your design suggestion across.  And you can't be an ass today and nice tomorrow and have them listen to you.  After years of being an ass, you have become backgrond noise.    

HOWEVER, Turbine needs to appreciate that dedicated, commited fans are the ones that open their checkbook.  The emotional investment that comes with it will cause some people to react strongly when things change to the negative.  You want that emotional investment when it causes store sales.  You have to take the bad with that good.  The alternative is a customer base that doesn't complain because they don't give a shit.  The problem with this alternative is that they don't stay when you make a mistake or upset them.  They just leave and take their wallet with them.

GreyMouser wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 5:04pm:

It's not believable that the people making decisions are experts, unless by "expert" you mean something other than "A person who has a comprehensive and authoritative knowledge of or skill in a particular area."

For example, an expert on itemization would not have released something that provides a non-stacking 2sp per melee hit or the other "Expert" who discovered that Conjuring 100 bolts per cast SUCKED and changed it to 1000 per cast eleven months and two weeks after everyone else who plays an artificer discovered the same thing (don't misunderstand - the change from 100 to 1000 is certainly a quality of life improvement, but it should have been done 11 months sooner than it was).

Further, it's not desirable for you or the people at Turbine to "live and breathe this stuff" to the point that you believe you're so expert that you refuse to learn from the people play the game.

It's necessary to remain objective, receptive to criticism and to new ideas, and not only to learn from your own mistakes, but to make a sincere effort to prevent your peers and successors from making the same mistakes as you.


GreyMouser wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 5:04pm:

This reminds me of the "Pretty Please, with Sugar on Top, Clean the fucking car" scene from Pulp Fiction.

If I walked into a restaurant and was served Scrambled Eggs with Rat Feces, I wouldn't make an effort to be polite, and it wouldn't matter that I could pick the rat feces off the plate or that there were less rat feces this week than last.  Especially if I paid in advance for a meal that did not mention Rat Feces as an ingredient.


GreyMouser wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 5:04pm:

There were 20 PAGES of dick jokes in your future before you posted anything.  It was a sunk cost.  Why would you think that NOT writing anything would change that outcome?

Here's a dick joke for you:

Q.) Why does a penis have a hole in the end?
A.) So men can be open minded

Just wanted to drop in and say I just attained the "Dungeon Master" title after besting Arah P4 with my guild. Ohhh boy what a fun time...

If anyone ever needs help with Simin, I will come.

Dark_Helmet wrote on Feb 16^th, 2013 at 2:29am:

GreyMouser wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 5:04pm:


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Maj, buddy... maybe you should make sure this stuff gets to Lam so the actual experts can test it.  Maybe in another 7 years you'll know how to play the game.

You guys, there are totally devs who have capped characters and there was once a guy who even TR'd!

Of course they're only testing Wail against Waterworks kobolds because that's the only quest they can complete.  They probably can't even complete it before getting access to insta-death spells.

Hey GreyMouser, PUHLEEZ tell me that FoS is going to be at PAX!