Bigjunk wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 12:47pm:



Facetious comment was facetious.

I need a hipster moustache smiley.

rest wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:


If you absolutely wanted to do fleshy, fuck artificer.

16 druid/2monk/2ranger

would be some trade offs of course (no longer clicky/scroll duration comes to mind). but some pros as well ie extra 100% fort in an elemental form.

whatever, you could build it if you really were dead set on not being wf.

LordPiglet wrote on Mar 7^th, 2013 at 10:46am:


Yes, and really just to keep inline with what Juggy did and calling out a fleshy option.

Some different synergies, wf juggy is nice with repair not hitting undead longer clicky buffs, while fleshy druid version could have sweet speed with master blitz going and using fatal harrier.

Was just tossing it out there as a possible fleshy alternative inline with the discussion.

LordPiglet wrote on Mar 7^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:



sure could do that if you wanted more casting, juggy is typically more melee mostly and ranged when many shot is up.

Dual elemental forms dont do it for me.

LordPiglet wrote on Mar 7^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:


I think if at the point where you go druid, fleshy, and using fighter levels as the 2 or 1......you aren't even discussing anything remotely related to the juggernaut build.

I mean really, at the point at which you are discussing casting for a melee/manyshot build, you are onto a different build.

It's the druid life I am lamenting.  I've been pissed about druids since they came out.  That I'm not looking forward to...

Madcow430 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2013 at 9:15am:


How many past lives do you have under your belt?

I've found wisdom specced melee druilds (17 druid/2 monk/1 wizard [or ranger for a TR only life {sprint boost}]) to actually be a lot of fun.

I may be biased due to liking clicky / button mashing combat, but Reaving roar is amazing whilst leveling and fire elemental form has some great melee / casting synergy.  Also casting fom (on myself) and spamming sleetstorm made pugging worth it.

Eladiun wrote on Apr 15^th, 2013 at 9:20am:


Yeah, I get the pet thing.  I hardly use it save to hit levers when soloing.  Xorian for example was a breeze with a flame turret, pet, and level one hireling.

The ranged damage looked decent.  Does it drop off pretty badly by mid level?  I'm asking because I'm mostly using an SOS, handwraps, quarterstaff (flaming burst/icy burst/acid/weapon buff).  Just played with endless fusillade a bit as I just got it at level 10.  Very little though, I just hit things.

I haven't done any druid lives - no completionists and the PL feats are meh - but they look about melee FVS easy to level or even easier based on grouping with them.

Jugg heroic ranging is not worth it past mid level except when fullisading or manyshotting for burst damage.

LR'd mine, turned him into an AA.

Some of my guildies are still going with theirs. It looks like the Battle Mech bonuses got tilted further away from ranged, but heavier towards melee options, but I haven't checked how AP intensive it is to get similar bonuses as pre-U19.

Were there any interesting synergies which have been removed with u19 and the EP?