So this grindfest item was already basically shit, since it never really competed with the Epic Cloak of Night.  Swapping between these was always more like a lateral move than anything else.  And now, given the new augment system, it is has been totally obsoleted.

So Feather of Suck Balls introduces shit gear which requires a shit grind for BtC mats and then obsoletes that shit gear almost immediately.

He's very good at his job.

I don't think there's a single challenge cloak that can be remotely justified anymore.

cdr wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 1:39am:


Correct.  FoS is so good at designing loot.  And by "good at designing loot" I mean "sucking at designing loot".  FoS is great at designing loot.  And by "great", I mean "fucking stupid".

cdr wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 1:39am:


I like having the 3% dodge wolf cloak on hand when I pull aggro.

the dragon cloak aint too horrible. been using that at 16 and 20

(oh yes, brainfart)

Tajuh wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 11:55am:



I'm sensing an immanent closing of a challenge.

FoS is amazeballs at designing loot and super good at his job and we are so lucky to have someone like him who understands.


...said no one ever.

stainer wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:


So then I guess it should read:
...said no one who matters ever.

The grind is crazy.  The mats should be BtA like the cannith mats.  The cloak of the dragon is still one of only 3 sources of spell mastery +2.  (The other being the brand new Tablecloth and the Wizard Ward).  The tablecloth does create high competition for the cloak.  Especially considering how many sources there are for the other effects.

The Bear and Wolf cloak are decent, but, again, are just not compelling enough in most cases.  I do like the wolf cloak for a source of 3% dodge at the 2nd tier. 

All 3 need a revamp of features to stay relevant.  Most all the cannith items could use a pass as well or an ML 24 tier added to get them a little extra oomph.

stainer wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 12:12pm:


Sammael.

Ran a few with Slug yesterday.

The tree ones in ES give a nice amount of mats; ~700 each run.
The rituals are also somewhere in that area but are a PITA to keep the asshole in the middle alive. If you snooze off a bit the dumbass dies.

The arenas, however, are still in the penis-in-a-meatgrinder area averaging at 400 per.

I was running the sunset ritual on 26 in a pug last night and it was giving about 200 per run.  You could easily have run it at a higher level though.  Would probably take about 6 runs, or an hour plus fucking around time, to get all the ingredients needed for a tier-3 cloak.  Do that x4 for the four different ingredients, so all together you could grind out a T3 cloak in an evening.  That doesn't seem too horrible.

I still really like the Cloak of the Wolf.  The only other place to get the +5 exceptional seeker is on the bracers of twisting shade, and they're otherwise pretty shit except as a swap item for traps.  Mabar cloak is nice, yes, but the ghostly and dodge effects are available a few others places.

Gunga wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:


f u bastard lol. I never said that. I said there is some definate merit to the new loot circa U14-U16 vs anything since shroud, and argued against people who threw the good out with the bad based on a fucking lisp, hat and scarf in a cheesy promo video and a douchey demeanor on the forums.