That doesn't look like he said the core stuff won't change. It looks like he was answering specific questions regarding UI, multiclass, AP, etc.

Barbarian and max dps sorc weren't released yet. Sure that was Shade?

spathic wrote on Apr 15^th, 2013 at 10:00pm:


Shade is the top dps no matter what he plays. Also, he has to make sure non-barbs are nerfed.

Kalari wrote on Apr 15^th, 2013 at 10:21pm:



Seriously!

You know if something doesn't get three by the enh release it's never happening. Why do they suck at this so badly?

Grace wrote on Apr 15^th, 2013 at 9:26pm:


I think it's pretty clear that there's no chance that they will change anything beyond:

1. Tweaking some of the enhancements
2. Improving the UI
3. Doing some re-organization of the trees

They're simply too far along to do anything else without scrapping the whole thing.  I suppose the last option gives the most flexibility to address some of the concerns (shoehorning classes into certain roles, gutting multi-classing, etc.).  On the other hand, from what I gather a lot of people are unhappy with the whole tree structure in the first place.

Flav wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 9:20am:


Here's my wild theory: They're gonna do just that but they are using these fancy new pictures to make us think they are doing something.

Kalari wrote on Apr 15^th, 2013 at 10:21pm:


I'm actually happy with the fact that some classes will only have 2 trees.  Since we're going to end up spending 60+ points in one tree by my guess, having the useful abilities split between two trees instead of split between 3 trees means that I get to actually *have* my useful abilities instead of spending 60+ points in one tree and still not getting the stuff I want.

In particular, I'm looking at the Fighter trees.  The two trees there are:
the "everything I actually care about" tree and
the "some shit with shields that I can't even be bothered to read" tree.

Monks and Rangers have to actually make choices.  Fighters get to take everything that's worth taking in the Fighter enhancements.


...Now, the fact that the Stalwart tree is filled with shit if you're not using one bastard sword/DAxe + shield that you never swap ever (and never use a single scroll/wand/whatever) is a problem, but that's a problem of shitty enhancements, not a problem of having too few trees.


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I hate the spellpower coming from spending in the tree, but that's one that I think could be fixed fairly easily. 
1) Make Protection less shitty.
2) Don't touch Healing - that's fine for what it does as long as there are other options that grant Universal spellpower.
3) Add some 3rd tree that has some of the enhancement flavor that Wizards and Sorcs will end up with because the primary difference between Arcanes and Divines should be the spell lists and not the enhancements.
...the fact that Cleric enhancements would be pretty easy to fix doesn't mean that they will be, of course.

In general, I agree with Kalari's assessment.  Just had a few small points to add.

I wouldn't be against the 2 trees to start if they didn't have a well known track record with finishing stuff they start

The fact that they are willing to release a system that will be yet again unfinished is bad why keep doing this? They said they worked on this for a year I cannot imagine how hard it is doing coding so I won't be a pretentious fuck and act like its easy.

But it doesn't make sense to me to release this in bits and pieces especially when there have been players telling you whats wrong, whats missing and what should have been added.

Stanley Nicholas wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 11:19am:


This ENH change screams of somebody's pet-project that was designed by somebody who doesn't play the game but wants this game to look like WOW.  We don't play WOW, we don't want to play WOW.  If we wanted WOW . . . we'd play that fucking game.

Only hope in this not being an NGE is this is Alpha and it's not to late to make changes or further delay the heck out of it.

Flav wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 9:20am:



As I'm a bit on the persistent side, and as I had time to kill at work today, here is the the result :


This is only a draft of the Live Cleric Enhancements in a Tree Form... I'd call it Radiant Servant Tree as almost everything is centered around Radiant Servant.

The only two changes compared to live are the following :
Prayer of Smiting requires Smiting
Prayer of Life requires Life Magic
Radiant Servant II requires Charisma 2 instead of One of Charisma 2, Deitiy Specific Stuff.

All the other Cleric Speciific Enhancements are unchanged.

Divine X is one of Divine Healing, Divine Cleansing, Divine Vitality, Divine Might, Divine Light

I left out of the tree : the Deity Specific Stuff and the Skill Stuff.

It needs some refinement as I haven't taken into account the level requirements and the points spent to place the boxes.

I'll try to do something more refined tomorrow.

Stanley Nicholas wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:09am:


Sorry I had to fix it. 

Kalari wrote on Apr 15^th, 2013 at 10:21pm:


You'll take your abuse - and like it!