Anyone had a chance to see if there were any changes to Cleric on lammy at this time?  And what does FvS look like?

I still can't get on the damn server over there.  But I'd like to know what's up past going spelunking in multiple threads.  Time is limited today.

Stanley Nicholas wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 9:54pm:


Thank you

pape wrote on Apr 17^th, 2013 at 10:22pm:



Yup, it's more like Gamma testing...

Or : look at the rage and tweak bits here and there so that it looks like we are answering to the rage.

Silky wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 4:30am:


Well I've proved for the cleric that it's not really a nerf if you're already a healbot... and in some case it's even an improvement...
But if you went the melee way or *gasps* the Spellcaster way as a Cleric it's a huge nerf.
( and not going into the we are going to give you 3 complete PRE with the revamp... right now for the Cleric they are giving us a semi shitty one, a totally turdish one, and nothing. )

I compared the current cleric enhancements to the new new trees and found the following, with regard to the presence of the existing items, in some form.

Cleric Charisma                  Covered                                                                        
Cleric Divine Cleansing            Covered                                                      
Cleric Divine Healing            Covered                                                
Cleric Divine Light                  Covered                                                      
Cleric Divine Might            MISSING
Cleric Divine Vitality            Covered                                                
Cleric Extra Turning            Covered                                          
Cleric Improved Turning            Covered                                                
Cleric Wisdom                  Covered                                                
Follower of the Lord of Blades            MISSING                                                                        
Silver Flame                              MISSING                                                      
Sovereign Host                        Covered                                                            
Undying Court                        MISSING                                                            
Vulkoor                              MISSING                                                            
Cleric Energy of the Zealot            MISSING                              
Cleric Improved Spell Penetration      MISSING                                          
Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting      MISSING                                                
Cleric Prayer of Smiting                  MISSING                                                
Cleric Smiting                        Kinda Covered                              
Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery      Covered                                                
Cleric Improved Empower Healing      Covered                                                      
Cleric Life Magic                        Covered                                    
Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life            Covered                                          
Cleric Prayer of Life                  Covered                                    
Cleric Radiant Servant                  Covered                              
Cleric Divine Intervention               Covered

It seems to me like they could really help the cleric tree by adding back in 4-5 items that are missing.  Most notably:

Divine Might         (and no replacements for melee damage boosts at all)
Energy of the Zealot (how do they have no sp boosts)
Smiting Lines (again.  An unforgivable oversight.  Would they think of dropping the elemental damage lines from arcanes?)
Spell Pen Enhancements (Again.  An unforgivable miss.  I'll bet money they wouldn't drop it from the arcanes)

The addition of some class HP enhancements is nice.  The addition of the efficient metamagics is nice.  None of it outweighs these losses though.

I don't think the loss of the SF exorcism, Vulkoor champion, or the LoB Transformation are terrible.  Kinda bad from a flavor perspective, but all in all kinda meh. 

If they can work these 4 things in, at least they won't be taking anything that exists today off the table.  It's still a shit sandwich, but at least you have the bread.

Well FvS got fucked up too with the Protection Tree... So all the Divines are shafted...
Except Druids, they have a Wolf-Bear tree and a spellcaster tree, but that's probably because they made them while making the class last year.

I looked at the protector tree and my first thought was how stupid some of the stuff is.

you get trapfinding feat but not disabling skill from one ability wheeeeeeeee so much  use in that.......I can find traps with my face already.

Paraphrased: We're still not releasing all prestige enhancements and we won't say when we will, if ever. You won't like it all, and we don't care. You'll all have to move to it, like it or not.

We get a shitty new interface and still not all prestige enhancements after all these years. Are they fucking kidding?