It makes sense to me.... why would turbine want first lifers to ED mobs and solo stuff they shouldn't be able to land in the first place. While multi past lives wizzys and completionist should merit the right to do so.

dndgamerz wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 8:47am:


Way to miss the point.   

If Energy Drain gets a save, only multi-past-life-et-cetera Pale Masters (or PM's with secondary Necro AM in the new enhancement system) will be able to land it in order to debuff saves, leaving only one viable route to DC casting.  CC is tough enough as it stands, with some great multi-life wizzy players being unable to land spells even with Energy Drain and hence migrating to Shiradi AM's in droves. 

Energy Drain is a Necro spell any arcane/cleric/FvS can use to debuff because it doesn't have a save.  If you need to specialise to the hilt in Necromancy in order to get the necro debuff to land, you're left with the option of full-retard necro casting, or casting only spells with no save.

This isn't about first-life casters soloing EE's - they're doing that right now with Shiradi - it's about the nerf bat turning DDO into a game where you essentially have only Predetermined Option A or Predetermined Option B to build a viable caster, despite a raft of UI elements making it look like you have choices.

If you can land energy drain as a fort save, you might as well wail the mob.

If you can't, what's the point?

Since when does the description match the practice?

This thread does not deliver.

I guess it technically wouldn't be a nerf but giving Energy Drain a save would, yet again, make WF toons less desirable to play.

rest wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 11:20pm:


Proof Against Energy Drain +6?

I stopped playing my PM on June 26th, 2012.....

I'd like to thank the academy...
My Mom... (a lot of you also owe her thank you cards apparently)
God...
and of course the whiney nancy baby bitch boys who feel immasculated because the mean bad ole palemaster fingered or wailed their kill.

Just watch...

Just fucking watch them change Deathblock to "this item provides a +4, +6, etc bonus to Fortitude saves versus Death Effects"

This energy drain change horse shit may seem like a boon to a lot of fleshy players that do not play casters.

But, I feel for those of you who still make an effort to obtain meaningful spell DCs even if it means draining half your mana to debuff the mobs first.

I am SOOOOOO glad I stopped playing my Palemaster...

I think at least the Grave Wrappings and Sacrificial Dagger are safe, although I'm not familiar with Nightmare; the former two, at least, proc "Life Stealing", which drains 1-3 levels on a hit.  It's definitely not the same as the Energy Drain spell...

On the other hand - while in the realm of pure speculation - it could just be that every neg-level-inflicting effect gets a save, in which case yeah, they become nigh-useless.

kierg10 wrote on Apr 27^th, 2013 at 8:01am:

On the bright side, I don't think I'd feel terrible at all for finally dropping the Assassin ToD set from my Rogue. That chance for a "Level Drain Effect" was the biggest reason for sticking with the set.

Arkat wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 12:12am:


Don't worry about the assassin set.  You have to have the Assassin III prestige enhancement that will no longer exist after the enhancement pass.  So you won't need your TOD set regardless.