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Persiflage Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 974 Location: Khyber Joined: Jan 28^th, 2013	No longer confused about Update 18 ;) May 9^th, 2013 at 4:41am	Print Post
	Original question duly answered by someone who was, unlike me, paying attention.� Many thanks� (At least I was right about one thing: I was, indeed, missing something.� For a value of "something" approximately equal to "everything".)
	« Last Edit: May 9^th, 2013 at 7:54am by Persiflage »
	stainer wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:26am: Oh you are good. I will be watching you. QuantumFX wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 11:11am: You are an evil human being.� m4lacka wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:04am: wow that post hurt a lot more than any of the namecalling i expected. Now I see why ppl consider you evil.
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arjiwan Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Comedy! Posts: 320 Joined: Nov 17^th, 2011	Re: Confused about the Update 18 "expansion" Reply #1 - May 9^th, 2013 at 4:44am	Print Post
	Can you also help me out? Where is the source that states, it is an "expansion"?


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9985 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Confused about the Update 18 "expansion" Reply #2 - May 9^th, 2013 at 5:09am	Print Post
	It's not the expansion... it's something that is going to be put in live before the expansion... as a preparation for the expansion, like what was done with the harbour and the Spinner chain... When the expansion is there I'm sure we will be able to jump somewhere else from Wheelon Docks ( or maybe straight from Eveningstar. ) if we bought it. U18 will be 3 Quests, and Wheelon. Maybe Iconic Character Bladeforged. ( as a teaser for the Faerun ones ) Then we will have the expansion ( Shadowfell Conspiracy ) that will have an undisclosed number of quests ( I'd say 2/3 Chains of 3/4 quests ) and a raid, a level raise to 28, maybe a few more Epic Destinies, Faerun Iconic Characters, at least one explorer area ( I'd say two though, unless I missed my count in Wheelon ) Then sometime after all that we will get the enhancement clusterfuck...

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arjiwan Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Comedy! Posts: 320 Joined: Nov 17^th, 2011	Re: Confused about the Update 18 "expansion" Reply #3 - May 9^th, 2013 at 5:46am	Print Post
	That is also my understanding. Thanks


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Persiflage Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 974 Location: Khyber Joined: Jan 28^th, 2013	Re: Confused about the Update 18 "expansion" Reply #4 - May 9^th, 2013 at 5:53am	Print Post
	Ahhhh... That pinging noise you just heard was the sound of comprehension dawning: very much obliged to you. I completely misinterpreted the front page of the wiki; on second reading, there is in fact nothing whatsoever saying that U18 and the expansion are one and the same. Reading fail on my part, right there. Normally I'd be keeping track of this shit on the forums, but... well, yeah. I had to be revived by a team of paramedics after trying to read the forums just after the update and I haven't been back since. While I'm having other people do my thinking for me, do you have any links to Official Words on what's going to be in the expansion, or is it too early to say just yet? And please don't mention the enhancement pass. The only way I'm managing to enjoy the game at all at the moment is by pretending that it's not happening.

	stainer wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:26am: Oh you are good. I will be watching you. QuantumFX wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 11:11am: You are an evil human being.� m4lacka wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:04am: wow that post hurt a lot more than any of the namecalling i expected. Now I see why ppl consider you evil.
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Persiflage Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 974 Location: Khyber Joined: Jan 28^th, 2013	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #5 - May 9^th, 2013 at 7:57am	Print Post
	Oh, and while I'm at it... do you have a reason to suspect MOAR EPIC DESTINIES!!!1!, or is that just speculation? I have to say, I like the idea of being able to grab enough fate points to upgrade my second twist slots beyond Tier 2 (most of my toons are on 4/2/1).

	stainer wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:26am: Oh you are good. I will be watching you. QuantumFX wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 11:11am: You are an evil human being.� m4lacka wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:04am: wow that post hurt a lot more than any of the namecalling i expected. Now I see why ppl consider you evil.
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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9985 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #6 - May 9^th, 2013 at 8:40am	Print Post
	Persiflage wrote on May 9^th, 2013 at 7:57am: Oh, and while I'm at it...� do you have a reason to suspect MOAR EPIC DESTINIES!!!1!, or is that just speculation?� I have to say, I like the idea of being able to grab enough fate points to upgrade my second twist slots beyond Tier 2 (most of my toons are on 4/2/1). Pure speculation... Based on the nice drawing they gave us, the Arcane ( Wizard/Bard/Sorc ) and the Monk/Fighter/Rogue bit has 3 destinies while the Druid/Barbarian and the Paladin/Favored Soul only have two. We are missing Fighter and Cleric specific stuff. I haven't done the math of the XP needed for 28, but you have to remember that the XP for destinies are not the same numbers and that a LVL 0 Destiny levels fast...

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Slug Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1061 Joined: Feb 19^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #7 - May 9^th, 2013 at 9:27am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on May 9^th, 2013 at 8:40am: the Druid/Barbarian...only have two. It has three. You're forgetting Primal Avatar.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #8 - May 9^th, 2013 at 9:39am	Print Post
	Clerics and Arti's are the only ones missing an ED currently, IIRC.


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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #9 - May 9^th, 2013 at 10:21am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on May 9^th, 2013 at 9:39am: Clerics and Arti's are the only ones missing an ED currently, IIRC. Artis have Shiradi and "Clerics have Shut The Fuck Up And Heal My Barbarian. You Don't Need To Have Any Of Your Own Fun." I'm pretty sure that's WAI.


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Diogenes Ex Member	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #10 - May 9^th, 2013 at 10:27am	Print Post
	NOTpopejubal wrote on May 9^th, 2013 at 10:21am: Artis have Shiradi and "Clerics have Shut The Fuck Up And Heal My Barbarian.� You Don't Need To Have Any Of Your Own Fun." I'm pretty sure that's WAI. Which is why I TR'd away from being a cleric long ago.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9985 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #11 - May 9^th, 2013 at 7:24pm	Print Post
	From Squeak : Quote: While they are not proper Release Notes, here are some answers to your questions: � � Update 18 is NOT the Shadowfell Conspiracy Expansion Pack � � Update 18 has quests introducing you to the environment and lore that will appear in the Shadowfell Conspiracy � � These Quests are only Heroic difficulty � � While the named loot has not yet been added to the three U18 quests, the three quests will have named loot � � We have renamed "Toughness" (on items) to be "Vitality" � � Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate � � We are working on fixing the Character Copy tool � � We are working on making the Test Dojo door permanent on Lamannia! (While we have a fix, it still needs to be tested.) https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/416186-Update-18-is-now-available-on-L... In lieu of official release notes...
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Persiflage Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 974 Location: Khyber Joined: Jan 28^th, 2013	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #12 - May 10^th, 2013 at 3:11am	Print Post
	NOTpopejubal wrote on May 9^th, 2013 at 10:21am: Artis have Shiradi and "Clerics have Shut The Fuck Up And Heal My Barbarian.� You Don't Need To Have Any Of Your Own Fun." I'm pretty sure that's WAI. Uh-huh.� I guess it all depends on how you read the destinies...� I mean, hell, Wizards don't really have a destiny to speak of; Magister is a steaming pile of crap.� Any ability which requires that you basically stand still in order to use it is worse than useless, and the DC-boosting aspects (to one school, FFS) are just platform soles to help meet the stupid "you must be this tall to ride" requirements for making spells land. Draconic Incarnation, too, only has a couple of worthwhile abilities. Artificers don't have anything Arti-flavoured, although even if they get one some day I can't see anything more useful than Shiradi happening for ranged Artis.� So we've got: (Ranged) Artificers = Shiradi! (Caster) Druids = Shiradi! (Ranged) Rangers = Shiradi! Sorcerors = Shiradi! Wizards = Shiradi! Agreed that the situation for Clerics is utterly miserable.� But no, wait, if you want to actually participate you can just load up on un-meta'd ray spells and AoE's and take...� SHIRADI!� It even offers Wisdom increases! So you see, everything is absolutely fucking FINE, OK?

	stainer wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:26am: Oh you are good. I will be watching you. QuantumFX wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 11:11am: You are an evil human being.� m4lacka wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:04am: wow that post hurt a lot more than any of the namecalling i expected. Now I see why ppl consider you evil.
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #13 - May 10^th, 2013 at 5:47am	Print Post
	I know nothing about arties but see them in Shadowdancer/Draconic too. Ranged ranger or any ranged toon in Shiradi is a fucking nub. Rebuke is actually pretty good, this "spam light spells until Carpal tunnel in Shiradi for hjealzor" is really stupid, it just doesn't work. But yes, hjealzors are pretty fucked DC wise.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9985 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #14 - May 10^th, 2013 at 7:38am	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 5:47am: But yes, hjealzors are pretty fucked DC wise. We haven't felt the butthurt yet.... But we will feel it as soon as the Improved, Better, More Friendly, More Open, Enhancement Pass comes live.

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #15 - May 10^th, 2013 at 11:35am	Print Post
	NOTpopejubal wrote on May 9^th, 2013 at 10:21am: Artis have Shiradi and "Clerics have Shut The Fuck Up And Heal My Barbarian.� You Don't Need To Have Any Of Your Own Fun." I'm pretty sure that's WAI. Shiradi is the Ranger tree. I find it odd that they included offensive spells on all the ranged damage enhancments, given that Rangers....get no offensive spells. Shiradi is one of the only trees that actually is designed to provide benefits to something that is not core to the base class it is the ED for. To the point where the destiny is arguably better for Non-Rangers than for Rangers. (Most tempests are in LD or Fury). Nothing in Shiradi even appeals to the temepst side of rangers. It all focuses on the Fey bullcrap. Which is totally obnoxious from an RP standpoint. Rangers aren't necessarily druids and all nature-ish. Many are more along the stalker/tracker line. Outdoorsman and survival in the wild types with sneaking, hiding, trapping, tracking, and hunting skills. Not "lets pop off to have tea with the queen" types.


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Ekkehart Ex Member	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #16 - May 10^th, 2013 at 1:52pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 11:35am: Shiradi is the Ranger tree.� You started being wrong here. It only gets worse.


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pnellesen Titan Demolisher Offline We can't all just get along. Posts: 311 Joined: Dec 6^th, 2011	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #17 - May 10^th, 2013 at 2:55pm	Print Post
	Flav wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 7:38am: We haven't felt the butthurt yet.... But we will feel it as soon as the Improved, Better, More Friendly, More Open, Enhancement Pass comes live. The way things are going, I'm likely going to quit playing my DDO Clerics at all. NWO Clerics are simply more fun, and you don't have to worry about conserving SP with them either. Now if they'd just come out with a Melee Cleric, I'd probably leave DDO completely (I have too much fun with my Horc 19C/1F to abandon him right now, though...)


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Bazinga Stormreaver Piker Offline Suck it Bay! Bay! Posts: 579 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2011 Gender:	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #18 - May 10^th, 2013 at 8:23pm	Print Post
	pnellesen wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 2:55pm: The way things are going, I'm likely going to quit playing my DDO Clerics at all. NWO Clerics are simply more fun, and you don't have to worry about conserving SP with them either. Now if they'd just come out with a Melee Cleric, I'd probably leave DDO completely (I have too much fun with my Horc 19C/1F to abandon him right now, though...) Good for you, so why should you even have to touch the keyboard while running yur cleric? wouldn't that be even easier? (what a maroon)

	majmalphunktion wrote on Apr 26^th, 2014 at 11:06pm: Wow, you love me. There has been two big lag fixes in the past week. No, those are not going out with a hotfix. They are more wide ranging and take more time to test. Of course every time you get like this, I keep wondering where your MMO is so I can play it. Obviously you know excatly how to piece one of these together. I can't keep apologizing a gazillion times for the back end tech and things people did on this game before I was even an employee. So one last time, yes some of the stuff from the before times sucks. Sorry about that. Yes we know, stop building new systems. Yes we know, finish the ones out there. Yes we know you hate bards. And screw you for bringing up the laid off folks. That sucks every time. I made sure all my people landed in other jobs real quick. None of my 'casualties' are unemployed, just sadly not employed by Turbine. Every business goes through this.Even Valve has layoffs. It sucks every time. If you haven't had to do it then you just don't know. Picking people and knowing you are about to turn their life upside down is terrible, every time. Not giving a bleep. No, I stop listening when the bile starts. Not worth my sanity. You know my rule, treat me like a human and I'll do the same back. When the rage train starts...cya. So here is my peace out of the vault for a while. Thanks for the list Ranger, that was actually clear and helpful.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #19 - May 10^th, 2013 at 11:56pm	Print Post
	Quote: You started being wrong here. It only gets worse. Really? The DDO compendium, release notes, and the wiki: http://ddowiki.com/page/Epic_Destinies All agree that Ranger is the heroic class linked to Shiradi. Could be you are just a moron who can't understand the difference between an ED being useful to a class and being the ED for said heroic class.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #20 - May 11^th, 2013 at 12:03am	Print Post
	pnellesen wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 2:55pm: The way things are going, I'm likely going to quit playing my DDO Clerics at all. NWO Clerics are simply more fun, and you don't have to worry about conserving SP with them either. Now if they'd just come out with a Melee Cleric, I'd probably leave DDO completely (I have too much fun with my Horc 19C/1F to abandon him right now, though...) It's interesting how people bitch and moan about how noobs and lazy players and p2win pot chugging morons are all part of the problem with DDO and it was much better back before mana pots when mana conservation was an important skill and it made the game challenging. And a new game comes out where there is no mana. Unlimited casting the whole quest long. Just longer timers on your more powerful spells. And suddenly unlimited mana is a great thing.


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Diogenes Ex Member	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #21 - May 11^th, 2013 at 10:58am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 12:03am: And a new game comes out where there is no mana. Unlimited casting the whole quest long. Just longer timers on your more powerful spells. And suddenly unlimited mana is a great thing. haha


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Ekkehart Ex Member	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #22 - May 12^th, 2013 at 3:12am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 11:56pm: Really? The DDO compendium, release notes, and the wiki: http://ddowiki.com/page/Epic_Destinies All agree that Ranger is the heroic class linked to Shiradi.� Could be you are just a moron who can't understand the difference between an ED being useful to a class and being the ED for said heroic class.� Release notes for u14 make zero mention shiradi being the ranger ed, aside from them both being associated with the primal sphere (and in that case, calling it the barbarian ED makes just as much sense from that distorted perspective). If you're going to pull information out of your ass, at least make sure to double-check it first. On another note, I'm confused as to why it would even give caster levels to druids then, if it's the 'ranger destiny', whatever the fuck your moronic mind makes of that.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #23 - May 12^th, 2013 at 9:18am	Print Post
	Quote: Release notes for u14 make zero mention shiradi being the ranger ed, aside from them both being associated with the primal sphere (and in that case, calling it the barbarian ED makes just as much sense from that distorted perspective). If you're going to pull information out of your ass, at least make sure to double-check it first. On another note, I'm confused as to why it would even give caster levels to druids then, if it's the 'ranger destiny', whatever the fuck your moronic mind makes of that. Hey, dumbass, can you click on a link? Try it with the one I posted. Can you read? If so, read the table. Two columns. Even your moronic ass can do that. Find Shiradi. What is the heroic class listed in the next column? Ranger? Hmmm. How is me quoting the wiki "pulling information out my ass"? When you are saying Shiradi is the the Arti ED even though Arti's are in the Arcane sphere, not the primal sphere. If someone is pulling shit out of their ass, not checking facts, and basically looking like a complete dumbass, it'd be you. Time for you to stop posting. You only making yourself look worse with each one.


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: No longer confused about Update 18 ;) Reply #24 - May 12^th, 2013 at 11:51am	Print Post
	EDs aren't "specifically" for any class BUT they each STRONGLY identify with a particular class. GMoF = Monk Magister = Wizard Shadowdancer = Rogue and yes, Shiradi Champion = Ranger. Ash is right.
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