GreyMouser wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:48pm:


The obsolete Enhancements : Prayer of Incredible Life and Smiting being obsoleted is also a bug ?

Come on seriously, you know as well as us that the enhancement pass is going to break the game if it's dumped on live the way it is. With Neverwinter just here it's even going to be a killer à la NGE.

GreyMouser wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:48pm:


Thanks for coming here and giving us some straight up answers.

Asheras wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 10:35am:


You don't play clerics then... or any of the class that is going to get reamed in the ass, HARD.

Flav wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 10:45am:


My main is a Favored Soul.  But that's not the same thing.  We have the Angel of Vengeance, which is decent.

Yes.  Clerics got the crap end of the stick.  No doubt.   It's embarrassing how shitty those domains are.  They couldn't even be bothered to come up with cool names for them.  But many other classes and races are much better off.  (Barbs, Rangers, Dwarves, Fighters, Rogues).

It opens up all kinds of new combinations using 15/5 or 15/3/2 splits.  Everyone is looking at "my current build is invalid".  Not "What new fun stuff can we come up with?"  To me that is exciting and fun.  Not broken.   I like that there will be a whole new set of options to discovers and test. 

I get that clerics suck.  They have no options that are good for anyone who is playing a cleric as a offensive caster or CC'er.  You either have to be a healbot/buffbot or splash some melee class and go melee cleric.  And that totally sucks. 

Of course, the fix is crazy easy.  All they need to do is add a third tree of offensive casting based features with smiting, spell power, crit chance, DC's, spell pen and all that fun jazz.  It would make everything workable. 

But the percentage of players that use clerics as offensive casters is not that high.  It's not game breaking to the level you are suggesting.

I play an offensive caster cleric.  Now, it will be just an offensive cleric.

Consider that not everybody is willing to go through the Pain of a TR to fix what is going to be feather_of_sun'ed.
All they are going to see is that the character they spent a lot of hours levelling and playing with is going to be fucked up, and a free LR is not going to fix the fuck up. ( a +20 GR might fix it )

I stick by my phrasing, they are going to brake things if they do it the way it was shown on L-Space.

And what we see right now on Live ( Spellpower Bug, Obsolete Enhancements ) IS the enhancement pass leaking on live.

I definitely agree that offensive clerics needing help. There's no question that clerics need THREE trees, not just two, and the last one could provide for offensive casting. Melee clerics...honestly a large percentage of them splash at least a level or two of a melee class and could get their melee trees from there. But casting clerics rarely splash and the base class lends itself to not splashing as a caster-focused cleric.

That said I do have an issue with this:
Flav wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:24pm:


While this is completely true many of the enhancements are obsolete because something is being added in their places. And the cleric ones *should* have something added in their places whether they will have it or not. The spell crit lines only have the negative portions of the changes going live - we're missing the part where everyone gets 5% added to their crit chance starting at level 1. So while they did screw this up we don't know if what bled to live will ultimately be a nerf or a buff because what bled to live was incomplete.

Wipe wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:03pm:


As I recall you get:

+8% crit chance
40 universal spell power
80 sp
+1 Evo DC
+4 to Spell Pen (effectively.  It's actually a +1 and a -3 to opponents affected by your Aura)
+3 caster level on spells
+3 maximum caster level on spells
+30 Spell power for 30 seconds on a clicky (30 sec cool down)
+3 spell power for 6 seconds every time you cast a fire, force, light, physical spell (Stacks 10 times) for +30 spell power at full stack.

Current version of FvS enhancements:

+3 spell pen
+150 SP
.75 increase in spell crits
9% spell crit chance
80 spell power

So there are some trade offs.  The loss of the .75 increase in spell crits is huge.  The rest is meh.  The gains are the DC, Spell pen, situational spell power boosts, and caster levels. 

I wish they had the spell crit damage line still in there.  Outside of that, I'm good with the changes for FvS.  Compared to clerics who had pretty much all the same stuff as the FvS before hand and now have nothing for any of that stuff.  It's all gone. 

The only choice for an offensive divine caster is to go FvS.  Cleric just isn't an option. 

NOTpopejubal wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:30pm:


Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.  /Yawn.

Asheras wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 4:52pm:


It has been broken since before MotU was even proposed.  That's a long damn time to have something that meaningful to caster remain broken.

Mouser, just to make your day : ( and before it gets purged for linking the Vault )

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/416985-Can-you-tell-us-how-many-advent...

I didn't know QA Kobolds were trolls.

( oh and despite all my whining about the broken things thanks for the information )

Kalari wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:33pm:


i've  played a cleric as my main for the past 3 years and i understand, but i think you are overreacting a little bit.  how do you feel when a new pack comes and there are these great gloves on there and you have to reshuffle all your gear.  it's like others said, there will be different opportunities to make characters powerful.  wouldn't you hate to think that you've won ddo and there's no way to make your dudette better? 

i'd wait and see what happens with the enhancement pass (only 2 trees available out of a possible three) and if no improvements just tack on a couple of sorc lives and see if things get better.  like i said in a different post, ironically the caster clerics are going to be forced into the heal tree because of the +2 WIS at capstone