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Reply #200 - Jun 14th, 2013 at 11:40pm
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GreyMouser wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 11:25pm:
Yeah, not sure why the devs seem to be against it. They will come around. Those of us that read/listen to the forums knew this wave was coming. Personally..I'm in the 'no new systems' camp, lets just build fucking cool stuff. Systems is where everything...EVERYTHING breaks. The guts of this game are super fragile...more fragile than anything I've ever worked on...so screw it, lets just make epic dungeons like Myth Drannor(pre 4E), and the Undermountain, and Barrier fucking Peaks. Big rooms with 12 dragons, revenge of the Titans who eat Giants for brunch, and finish the Underdark as a true epic 10 hour dungeoncrawl like it should be.
Hell invade Evening star with Mind flayers and have the flying cats turn out to be long lost alien spellcasters from beyond take over.



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We need to get on him in a steelcage with Kalari and Gawna for the proper anal-rapage he deserves.

ftfy


I would pay money too see this.



GreyMouser wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 11:25pm:
Yeah, not sure why the devs seem to be against it. They will come around. Those of us that read/listen to the forums knew this wave was coming. Personally..I'm in the 'no new systems' camp, lets just build fucking cool stuff. Systems is where everything...EVERYTHING breaks. The guts of this game are super fragile...more fragile than anything I've ever worked on...so screw it, lets just make epic dungeons like Myth Drannor(pre 4E), and the Undermountain, and Barrier fucking Peaks. Big rooms with 12 dragons, revenge of the Titans who eat Giants for brunch, and finish the Underdark as a true epic 10 hour dungeoncrawl like it should be.
Hell invade Evening star with Mind flayers and have the flying cats turn out to be long lost alien spellcasters from beyond take over.



Sounds good.
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Reply #202 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 12:27am
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GreyMouser wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 11:25pm:
Yeah, not sure why the devs seem to be against it. They will come around. Those of us that read/listen to the forums knew this wave was coming. Personally..I'm in the 'no new systems' camp, lets just build fucking cool stuff. Systems is where everything...EVERYTHING breaks. The guts of this game are super fragile...more fragile than anything I've ever worked on...so screw it, lets just make epic dungeons like Myth Drannor(pre 4E), and the Undermountain, and Barrier fucking Peaks. Big rooms with 12 dragons, revenge of the Titans who eat Giants for brunch, and finish the Underdark as a true epic 10 hour dungeoncrawl like it should be.
Hell invade Evening star with Mind flayers and have the flying cats turn out to be long lost alien spellcasters from beyond take over.





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Reply #203 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 12:34am
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GreyMouser wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 11:25pm:
Yeah, not sure why the devs seem to be against it. They will come around. Those of us that read/listen to the forums knew this wave was coming. Personally..I'm in the 'no new systems' camp, lets just build fucking cool stuff. Systems is where everything...EVERYTHING breaks. The guts of this game are super fragile...more fragile than anything I've ever worked on...so screw it, lets just make epic dungeons like Myth Drannor(pre 4E), and the Undermountain, and Barrier fucking Peaks. Big rooms with 12 dragons, revenge of the Titans who eat Giants for brunch, and finish the Underdark as a true epic 10 hour dungeoncrawl like it should be.
Hell invade Evening star with Mind flayers and have the flying cats turn out to be long lost alien spellcasters from beyond take over.



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Reply #204 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 12:35am
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Jokes aside, it really would be nice if they didn't 100% change the game every 6 months.

Content is great.  Game mechanics changes are usually bad.
  
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Reply #205 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 12:35am
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GreyMouser wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 11:25pm:
Yeah, not sure why the devs seem to be against it. They will come around. Those of us that read/listen to the forums knew this wave was coming. Personally..I'm in the 'no new systems' camp, lets just build fucking cool stuff. Systems is where everything...EVERYTHING breaks. The guts of this game are super fragile...more fragile than anything I've ever worked on...so screw it, lets just make epic dungeons like Myth Drannor(pre 4E), and the Undermountain, and Barrier fucking Peaks. Big rooms with 12 dragons, revenge of the Titans who eat Giants for brunch, and finish the Underdark as a true epic 10 hour dungeoncrawl like it should be.
Hell invade Evening star with Mind flayers and have the flying cats turn out to be long lost alien spellcasters from beyond take over.



I like where this is going. Content is what the players need.


There are so many classic dungeons in Forgotten Realms that could be visited.
Would love to see some challenges that played out like the old school PnP tournament modules. It would be a good way to insert classic modules that didn't fit into the ongoing story.

I do like the concept of the EDTR, even with the XP eating. I look forward to hearing more about this.

Heroic TRs need to stay the same as they are now OR allow actual epic levels (NOT destinies) to count for Epic Advantage. The conversion of destiny levels to class levels is so lopsided that it wouldn't be a good deal even if it was 1:1 instead of 5:1.



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Reply #206 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 12:36am
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GreyMouser wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 11:25pm:
Yeah, not sure why the devs seem to be against it. They will come around. Those of us that read/listen to the forums knew this wave was coming. Personally..I'm in the 'no new systems' camp, lets just build fucking cool stuff. Systems is where everything...EVERYTHING breaks. The guts of this game are super fragile...more fragile than anything I've ever worked on...so screw it, lets just make epic dungeons like Myth Drannor(pre 4E), and the Undermountain, and Barrier fucking Peaks. Big rooms with 12 dragons, revenge of the Titans who eat Giants for brunch, and finish the Underdark as a true epic 10 hour dungeoncrawl like it should be.
Hell invade Evening star with Mind flayers and have the flying cats turn out to be long lost alien spellcasters from beyond take over.

It's nice to know there's at least ONE person at Turbine I feel good about being on the DDO team.

Thank you so much for this post GreyMouser.
  

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Reply #207 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 12:37am
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Kimberlite wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 10:42pm:
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Reply #208 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 12:39am
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Glenalth wrote on Jun 15th, 2013 at 12:35am:
There are so many classic dungeons in Forgotten Realms that could be visited.

When I first saw that MotU was going to take place in Eveningstar, I was sort of hoping to see some sort of version of the Haunted Halls.

But alas, 'twas not to be.  Sad
  

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Reply #209 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 12:42am
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GreyMouser wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 11:25pm:
Yeah, not sure why the devs seem to be against it. They will come around. Those of us that read/listen to the forums knew this wave was coming. Personally..I'm in the 'no new systems' camp, lets just build fucking cool stuff. Systems is where everything...EVERYTHING breaks. The guts of this game are super fragile...more fragile than anything I've ever worked on...so screw it, lets just make epic dungeons like Myth Drannor(pre 4E), and the Undermountain, and Barrier fucking Peaks. Big rooms with 12 dragons, revenge of the Titans who eat Giants for brunch, and finish the Underdark as a true epic 10 hour dungeoncrawl like it should be.
Hell invade Evening star with Mind flayers and have the flying cats turn out to be long lost alien spellcasters from beyond take over.


Maj mal 2016!
  
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Reply #210 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 1:04am
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Arkat wrote on Jun 15th, 2013 at 12:39am:
When I first saw that MotU was going to take place in Eveningstar, I was sort of hoping to see some sort of version of the Haunted Halls.

But alas, 'twas not to be.  Sad


Same. That's what I figured the Eveningstar challenge pack would be.
  
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Reply #212 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 1:17am
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GreyMouser wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 11:25pm:
Yeah, not sure why the devs seem to be against it. They will come around. Those of us that read/listen to the forums knew this wave was coming. Personally..I'm in the 'no new systems' camp, lets just build fucking cool stuff. Systems is where everything...EVERYTHING breaks. The guts of this game are super fragile...more fragile than anything I've ever worked on...so screw it, lets just make epic dungeons like Myth Drannor(pre 4E), and the Undermountain, and Barrier fucking Peaks. Big rooms with 12 dragons, revenge of the Titans who eat Giants for brunch, and finish the Underdark as a true epic 10 hour dungeoncrawl like it should be.
Hell invade Evening star with Mind flayers and have the flying cats turn out to be long lost alien spellcasters from beyond take over.



Wow. 

I would pay money for this.
  
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Reply #213 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 2:34am
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Me too. Real content, not something cobbled together by interns while people tinker with stuff that doesn't need tinkered with.
  
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Reply #214 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 4:31am
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Asheras wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 2:10pm:
The idea of Epic PL's is great.  It will make people want to go to Epic cap and then TR.  As long as the Epic PL's are solid enough.  If that was in place from day 1, everyone would think it is great. 

You level to 20 and TR you get a heroic PL.  You level to 28 and TR you get an Epic PL in whichever capped destiny you choose to "bind" (plus a heroic TR based on your heroic levels).  That would make people want to do the epic capping to get the extra PL.  Bingo.  Incentive to play to cap.  That's what they wanted.

The question is:  Why is it necessary to reset the ED XP when your do the Epic TR or heroic TR?  This is the part of the plan I don't understand.  What does it hurt for it to stay?  You still have to level all the way to 28 on your next life to get another Epic PL.  Having the ED XP still present would not change that.  I just don't see any reason you need to reset the ED XP to make the Epic TR and Epic PL system work. 

And giving some heroic XP benefit for that XP earned isn't going to make it worthwhile.  I don't care if I can do two Heroic TR PL's for free by cashing in my ED XP.  I'd rather have the ED XP.  This part of the Turbine has come up with is one that destroys months of work for a great deal of the player base for little to no return.  And unless I'm missing something, it's totally unnecessary.



You have reflected my recent thoughts exactly, now that the red mist has cleared.  On the one hand, they announce this great incentive to re-run Epic content - the Epic Past Life feat (woot!) - and with the other they brandish an enormous spiky club they will shove up your arse if you use the new system.  It doesn't make any sense at all and I simply cannot follow the reasoning.

Levelling Epic Destinies - which I did without shears and mostly solo - is such a godawful painful experience because you spend most of your time utterly gimped while running high-level content.  Nothing about it is fun, it's only done to get the fun of the end result.  It takes forever to get to a 4/2/1 or 3/3/1 twist setup, at the end of an interminable grind.  I would have long since completely ignored the epic game if it weren't for the fact that we were promised we'd never have to repeat the fucking awful process.

And now they're telling us that we'll have to do it again, and again, and again, or... not at all.  There only seems to be one rational choice.

What gives?
  

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Munkenmo wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 5:54am:
Epic TR's = Start at level 1 (with TR 1 leveling requirements). You sacrifice & bond the ED you want gain the past life from, and you cannot use / twist unbonded ED's again until you reach level 28


Um...  you mean, level all way back to 28 only having access to one destiny, which may well be - in fact, probably is - a destiny you have no interest in on that toon?  Fuck, no.  That's the problem with levelling ED's in the first place; the fact that you spend most of your time running tedious and inane shit for quick XP because you can't use most of your epic abilities.  Add in the fact that you're going to want to maintain at least a hard streak all the way to 28, quite probably with barely-enough content to get there in the first place, and you'll find yourself in a world of misery.

I don't want to get my monk epic PL and then have access only to GMoF on a Wizard life all the way to level 28, that would be horrible...  or is that not what you meant?
  

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Reply #216 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 5:01am
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Honestly....The more I consider this horrible fucking idea the more I come to think that it's a matter that should be addressed with the Better Business Bureau.

It's fucking Bait and Switch.

And pure hubris of the team who came up with this ED XP loss on Heroic TR....



  

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Reply #217 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 5:21am
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I've played through the epic content a lot.  I power levelled 2 epic destinies, the rest were played. 

it's taking away all that time that infuriates me. 
  

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arjiwan wrote on Jun 15th, 2013 at 1:17am:
Wow. 

I would pay money for this.

Yep. Fire the idiots who made commoner levels 21-25 (and who want to wipe EDs), implement MajMals plan, and Turbine can have their way with my credit card. $100 collectors edition? Take my money. $200. Whatever, just make it happen.
  

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Reply #219 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 12:28pm
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GreyMouser wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 11:25pm:
Yeah, not sure why the devs seem to be against it.


The reason is clear - the existing TR mechanism of being able to TR at 20 instead of at cap is not Working as CURRENTLY intended.

GreyMouser wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 11:25pm:
They will come around. Those of us that read/listen to the forums knew this wave was coming.


I hope you documented that you knew it was coming and warned someone via e-mail before Glin made that post.


This smells like a pet project.  A solution to a problem that "solves" the problem the way someone WANTS to, rather than the way it should be solved.  There will be a lot of resistance, and even if the person "comes around", coming around won't be their idea, they'll resent that they had to, and it'll be messy.


My money is on the live version of this being as different from what Glin outlined as the current Live version of CitW is from what was shown on Lama.

GreyMouser wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 11:25pm:
Personally..I'm in the 'no new systems' camp, lets just build fucking cool stuff.

Systems is where everything...EVERYTHING breaks.

The guts of this game are super fragile...more fragile than anything I've ever worked on...so screw it, lets just make epic dungeons like Myth Drannor(pre 4E), and the Undermountain, and Barrier fucking Peaks. Big rooms with 12 dragons, revenge of the Titans who eat Giants for brunch, and finish the Underdark as a true epic 10 hour dungeoncrawl like it should be.

Hell invade Evening star with Mind flayers and have the flying cats turn out to be long lost alien spellcasters from beyond take over.


This sort of thinking is inconsistent with what was put forward by Glin and the trend we've seen in the past several years.

It would be great if this works out for the game and for you, but I remember the outcome of developers that tried to learn from past mistakes and sincerely looked for solutions that aligned player goals with company goals.


Keep your resume updated.
  

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they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan.
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Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things.
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I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy.
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DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass.
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Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up.
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Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close.
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Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy.
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But...this whole thing is WAY off in the future. They are talking about it now for people's reaction to ideas, and their thoughts on it. 


but GLIN said UPDATE 20! Reread his post!!!
  
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but GLIN said UPDATE 20! Reread his post!!!


Update 20 is way off in the future in dev speak. Don't be a twat.
  

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Grace wrote on Jun 15th, 2013 at 1:19pm:
Update 20 is way off in the future in dev speak.


Since when is the execuntive producer a Dev?

But that does explain some things. Probably GLIN thinks that there is time to talk about everything and work it out, discuss it and decide... change direction (throwing away hours of coding) and some poor geeky nerd will sit down for a whole weekend at the last minute and write the whole of DDO code from scratch, new, without even leaving out a fucking semi-colon!

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Merry Hobbit wrote on Jun 15th, 2013 at 1:26pm:
Since when is the execuntive producer a Dev?

But that does explain some things. Probably GLIN thinks that there is time to talk about everything and work it out, discuss it and decide... change direction (throwing away hours of coding) and some poor geeky nerd will sit down for a whole weekend at the last minute and write the whole of DDO code from scratch, new, without even leaving out a fucking semi-colon!


I'd rather be a twat than have one! haha! Tongue


Clearly. The few brain cells you demonstrably have are obviously located in your dick.
  

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Grace wrote on Jun 15th, 2013 at 1:29pm:
Clearly. The few brain cells you demonstrably have are obviously located in your dick.


No. As with all hobbits they are located in my stomach.

But at least I am not a NAZI (ewww) Tongue
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