The entire ED TR "feature" reads like somebody answering "How do we penalize the players who already capped their ED XP by running Rusted Blades or Death Undone before we nerfed speed completions?"

The ED feats gained through Epic TR will have to be amazeballs to justify the loss of 20mil XP.  And we all know they'll be mediocre at best, assuming they even work as described.  Turbine's track record isn't great in the fixing non-functional feats department.  I'm looking at you Combat Archery.

The 2 build points (for a 38 point build) aren't enough of a carrot when I can already create a character with 18/18/12 stats.

If this goes live as described, I won't do another TR again.  Even after completing 30 TRs, I've got plenty of lives left that I could do but won't.

Edit: Forgot to mention that Rusted Blades won't even be an option for ED XP grinding once the level cap is 28.  I wouldn't hold my breath that Turbine will release a quick-to-complete quest for ED XP grinding in Shadowfell or beyond.  So that loss of 20 mil XP the first time you Epic TR is much more painful.  "Painful" shouldn't be a word I use to describe a new feature.

K that load of horse-shit they are proposing.

Lose ALL ED XP on ANY TR.  Fuck You.  No....Really....Fuck You.

If this is the the absolute best yall can do then I'd suggest disbanding the Turbine/DDO Circle Jerk of a Team and just wack it by yourself.  Someplace quiet...and cozy....close your eyes...get a good grip and let "greatest hits reel" pause on "Owlbear"

For fuck sake....just when I was developing a modicum of respect for the team due to MajMals communication with us.

They gotta go and Fuck it all up with this gawdamned TRIPE.

Fucking Useless.

Well as Maj is reading this thread apparently - suggestions on how players *I* know would take this as a great step forward:

*required*  Fate points do not reset - they don't have to stack when you redo ED's but they should not go away.

Option 1 : 

• Each ED capped counts as a heroic TR class past life - for ED's that count for more than one class you get an option as to which class it counts towards. 
  
  This would give a real tangible benefit to those with capped ED's - and it would give an option for people wanting to avoid certain classes when doing the TR - don't want to play a wizard - cap out Magister and TR - get your wizard PL without having to play a wizard.

Option 2: 

• allow the option to not reset ED exp
  
  This allows people who don't want to grind to do so - although in my opinion this will limit the number of people who care to do this type of TR at all.

Option 3: 

• Allow each capped ED to count as a *two levels* when doing a Epic TR capped at level 20.  This would mean someone with capped ED's could TR straight to level 20 - and someone with just 2 ED's capped could TR an iconic to level 19.
  
  This would be a real tangible benefit to doing an Epic TR and get people right back into Epics without the lower level grind.  I think people would be willing to give up capped ED's for this system.
  
  
  Another benefit to this system is it allows people to avoid many epic quests at low levels and thus get first time bonuses and reduce repetition penalties when doing a TR.

Option 4: 

• Allow your capped ED to be active while leveling other ED's when doing an Epic TR.
  
  While this would still get much backlash due to loss of *a ton* of work - it would give someone who Epic TR's a way to keep the ED they want and is fun active while re-leveling.  This could make it palatable.

These are my thoughts on the process - I think any of these options would definitely help people see this as an exciting feature instead of just a horrible grind.

Honestly the ED TR bonuses would have to be so overpowered they would break the game in order to entice people to give up full capped ED characters at this time (my opinion).

So there will be ONLY Epic Tr as an option.

And Tokens of the 12 to do so ONLY drop in Low Level Epic quests.

Or the store.

There are a lot of great ideas by players on this forum and the *other* DDO.

But, make no mistake...

DDO Dev team thought of all those great ideas but instead chose the idea that FUCKS the largest amount of the DDO population.

And here I though the change to Poison and Disease Immune Items (/hairy eyeball at triple neg GS goggle) was about as stupid as it could get.

WOW WAS I WRONG

Yall are fucking up plain and simple.  Read the Players comments and CHANGE THE SHIT to something that we will like and also ACKNOWLEDGES the TIME EFFORT AND MONEY put in into your GD game by those of us who Achieved Completionist and/or Capped all our Destinies.

To release as is a huge FUCK YOU to the players (in a long line of FUCK YOUs we've processed dealing with your lack of insight)

umeannothing wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 3:07pm:

I don't care what the feedback is. Good bad, happy sad, I don't care. Abusive and mean, that I do not pass on. But anything thought out and constructive absolutely gets passed on.
the reaction yesterday on the other forums was definitely listened to. I don't expect a dev to respond until next week tho. You read the knee jerk...then you read the stuff from a few days later when people think about it.

majmalphunktion wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:44am:


Are you saying that they actually thought that wiping out 20 million in ED XP (And only being able to save 1.9 million of it in a single ED) was going to fly?  Even at 30k per Rusted Blades runs you are still looking at 600 runs of that sucker.  Per toon. 

Do you think the reaction is going to change in a week? 

I do not think waiting to answer is a good idea.  Lots of people are now in a holding pattern on toons because of this news.  All my toons have more than one ED capped.  Do I keep earning ED XP and leveling destinies now knowing its going to disappear?   (And, no.  Gettting ranks on a TR isn't worth a damn as a trade off.  I want the fate points that come with the grinding so I can do 4-2-1 or 3-2-2.)

Because of the nature of these changes, people may stop playing today because they don't want to waste their time. 

Jalora wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:



It's all they have left.  Just keep the fish on the hook and sell XP boosts.

majmalphunktion wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:44am:


You are honest at least.

I do have to admit, all the cries and cunt assed bitch whining for better communication and when it is given in regards to future plans, plans that are well down the road, the whiney bitches coming out and going on a rampage about a proposed system that likely hasn't had more than suggestions written on paper at this point, are fucking amazing.

Glin: hey guys, we want to do this somewhere down around 2 updates away. This is what we are thinking right now.

Please give us some feedback on the subject.

Forum posters: Fuck you Glin you rat bastard!. You are going to wipe out ALL my ED exp! Fucking cunt Glin!!

And somewhere you know some dev is shaking his head thinking:

You are all fucking idiots. We lay out an idea. We offer you to give input. And all you fucking whiney cunts do is burn us at the stake instead of giving constructive input.

I have no problem calling out the fucking stupid shit Turbine does, but on this instance, I think coming out 2 update cycles ahead of the proposed launch of epic TR is enough that there should be plenty of time to get in some well worded input to the devs.

It ain't fucking doom until it is released. Then we get to say I told you so to the fuckers when they don't listen to the players.

I do appreciate getting this info on the subject so early. I also think starting the thread, and then not interacting with the players is a fucking fail though. Fucking engage with us for christ sakes. On the official forums as well. Pass that note on to Glin please, put on his man panties, grab some kevlar, and get to having a fucking discussion for once.

I will say this: fuck up the enhancement pass, or epic TR, Either one and I will be done with DDO as a whole. I already only play anymore for only an hour or 2 a week.

majmalphunktion wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:44am:


The longer it goes without an answer, the more it's going to fester and the worse it's going to become.

I didn't even bother logging in to post in that thread. I did tweet Glin, though I don't expect a response.

They say they listen...

Ignore or pass it on to be ignored doesn't really matter...

Devs....Really.....Don't tell us ANYTHING you have planned.

Just release whatever-the-fuck you come out with and when we bitch about it the ONLY thing you have to say is...

as per EULA "Game experience may change during online play"

Fuck off...

Thanks for playing and have a nice day.

umeannothing wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:


Turbine has a long history of not listening to feedback.  Regardless, the enhancement pass going live without major modifications (and it won't have major modifications) is likely going to kill any interest long time players will have in remaining in the game. 

The Epic TR debalce, which it will be, will be peanuts compared to the enhancement pass

And lemme just take a stab at...

EE Spell DCs...

Yall plan on the Epic TR ED PLs to address this?

Lmao.

How about clueing us in the the ultimate amazing ED PLs you have planned to entice us into this pile-o-s.  Or would that have added more fuel to the fire?