Asheras wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 2:12pm:


While I agree that would be a sweet change just a minor quibble - 10% + 20% + 30% = 71.6%. Due to the way stacking works they'd either have to do more than double it or else make a small nerf to healing amp gear. That said, even with a small nerf I'd take 1 item = all the amp you can get.

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i'd be okay with that

spathic wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 1:34pm:


You forgot the +2 to Concentration from 1st tier HP.

It looks like the change to dodge is on items only and doesn't include feats. If that's the case, fine, though I suspect the conflict between item dodge and feat dodge will break the change. If it changes feat sources of dodge too, that's bullshit.

Munkenmo wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:


I've made this point several times to MajMal in posts here and on the other forums.  Monks get no DPS boosts for Handwraps but do get boosts for staves and short swords.  That is lame.  Unarmed combat is a HUGE part of monks.  To ignore it and reward armed combat is dumb. 

I don't see the benefit to very many classes at all in staying pure.

The way I see it is Turbine doesn't really get a say in this, WB doesn't know shit about mmos or DnD but do know WoW was popular so they have decided DDO needs to be closer to WoW and fk the rest.

We may be lucky with the new TR as WB doesn't know shit about that and WoW doesn't have TRing so we have a chance on it.

For the enhancements though we are fucked though and that is that.

Grace wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 2:00am:


I do care, because they could have put in a real melee cleric tree instead... and they could have replaced it for FvS too.

Very schitzo update . . . some stuff is much better, some is much worse. 

And Vargoulle is a fucking moron who's answer is "submit a bug report" whenever you pin him on something really stupid.

Bigjunk wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 3:02pm:


I came so close to losing it when he said we should bug things so he didn't have to bother taking notes in the dev chat. First, why the fuck were they there, if they're going to flat-out admit that they aren't paying attention? And second, if they're too fucking stupid to have an in-house chat logger, there are some eula-breaking third party ones  (and even Vanshilar's eula-following fraps+ocr workaround)

Madcow430 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:


My divine aficionado friends are telling me Cleric > FVS right now.

Divine Disciple

Core enhancements:
Emissary - follow the path of light or dark +5 alignment + {+5 neg OR +5 light} SP
Sacred Defense: +2 saves
Granted Spell (added to spellbook): Enervation or sunbolt (1d4 + 4)/CL, MCL 30, light, reflex
Granted Spell: Necrotic ray or sunbeam
Granted Spell: Power word stun or sunburst
Capstone: Transcend darkness/transcend light: +2 wis, +5 light/Neg SP, +3% damage resistance to phsyical + elemental

Standard caster meta line
Divine vitality (3 ranks) same as live
Spell critical line: 2%/tier in light OR neg OR 1% in all
Spell points (3 ranks) +30/rank
Wisdom - standard caster enhancements (no charisma available)
Spell penetration (3 ranks, 2AP each tier 2)

Spellpower:
Tier 1 (3 ranks): +5 light OR neg OR +3 universal
Tier 2 (3 ranks): +6 fire OR +5 force OR +3 universal
Tier 3 (3 ranks): +5 light OR neg OR +3 universal, same as tier 1
Tier 4 (1 rank, costs 2 AP): +1 evocation OR +1 necro OR +9 universal SP
Tier 5 (1 rank, costs 2 AP): +1 evocation OR +1 necro OR +15 light OR +15 neg OR +9 universal SP

SLAs (all have three ranks, I'd guess lower cost and lower cooldown.  Taking lower tier SLAs not required for higher tier)
Tier 1: Nimbus light OR chill touch
Tier 2: none available
Tier 3: Necrotic bolt OR searing light (necrotic bolt is different than PM version, can metamagic)
Tier 4: Holy smite OR unholy blight
Tier 5: Flame strike OR mass inflict moderate wounds


Thoughts: Additional spells and SLAs seem to be the theme.  None are particularly good though and it just adds more clutter nobody wants.  SLAs are a complete trap, with divines easily being able to splash wizard/sorc/fvs, who in their right mind woudl invest in SLAs when you could get free metas on all spells. 

The caster system is seriously fucked across the board and the new PrE does nothing to provide a glimmer of hope.

AtomicMew wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:


What are you smoking?

Spell Power, Spell Points, Spell Pen, Crits, DC's?  When have clerics EVER gotten DC bumps?  Or Spell Power boosts to universal or force(BB)?  Decent capstone, too.  You are lumping clerics in with casters.  You can't do that.  Casters haven't been the red-headed step child for years.  Casters have been top of the heap for years. 

Look, it's not perfect.  But "fucked" or "not a glimmer of hope"?  You are being way too pessimistic and not very realistic given where Clerics are on live currently.  This PrE would be an improvement over anything a cleric can do on live today.