Schmoe wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 9:39pm:


I probably give more shit than I should, because I want this game to be good again. I want to see a ton of lfms at every level, like I used to. I want them to stop doing the bare fucking minimum or fixing/tweaking something completely opposite of what people are getting angry over, and quitting over. Right now it's nothing more than "shhhh, don't talk about broken stuff, look at this shiny, trivial object right here!"

But then again, maybe I'm the fool for trying to explain it to someone who missed his " How Not To Miss The Point By A Mile" training.

GooFY wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 10:23pm:


How dare they fix what they want before they fix what you want! The nerve of some people!

AnalFissure wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 10:53pm:


What exactly are you saying will be fixed by this?

OldCoaly wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:


It's not a players' pet peeve, but it's obviously a pet peeve of that developer.  I'd prefer to not have this change made because I'm generally against any changes that are made to the game at this point that don't directly improve a problem that is actively ruining someone's game play, but I at least don't blame that dev for wanting something to work a certain way.  I just disagree with the entire notion of making system changes to DDO at this point in its life that aren't essentially bug fixes.

More new content = YES.
More new features = NO.

OldCoaly wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:


that dev, I am perfectly fine with touching anything. He is one of the unsung greats. And remember I don't run dev...unfortunately.

GreyMouser wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 11:34pm:



5 year plan, Maj.... 5 year plan.

green00_00 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 9:02pm:


This is an important point. First time through a quest, its fun. After one knows where all the traps/doors are, it sort of becomes redundant.

AnalFissure wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 11:51pm:


Stripper   Err..  Cheerleader!

The only benefit secret doors have is that extra xp% they give for finding them. There are maybe 2 doors top in this game that are worth checking behind for a named item or some such.

I dunno... but I get the impression that several things going on right now are part of a bigger plan to align the MMO more closely to "a" PnP rule set.  Some sort of collaboration between Wizards (who completely and utterly screwed 4th Edition beyond even the most cynical players' expectations) and Turbine, perhaps related to DnD Next somehow?

Eh, just a random thought.  The days when I kept up with changes to the PnP rules and talked to the authors are long gone; 4E took care of that.  Mind you, at least they eventually flat-out admitted a bunch of their mistakes.

I rather like that.  Like "taking 20" in PnP.  It'd be particularly useful when faced with one of the few really difficult locks around on those days when you just can't roll higher than a 3 without burning a whole stack of tools

GreyMouser wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 11:34pm:


While it is good that there are people you feel so positively about, people who are leaving are leaving. 

It wouldn't matter if it were Kernighan and Ritchie tag teaming the project. 

They're planning and developing a new system that must be supported by the people who are staying, or their talent and efforts will be squandered.  A system that, by definition, is more important to the person leaving than to anyone else.  Who will love this baby when it's parent is taken upstate to the farm "so they have room to run"??

It's just not plausible that it'll be treated any differently than the many existing orphaned systems.

What is plausible is that it might get mostly done, but won't get finished.


NOTpopejubal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 11:15pm:


The thing is that players don't care about developer pet peeves unless they overlap an issue that the players find irritating.

I'm sympathetic with the desire of a leaving developer wanting to "close out" something that's been bugging them before they bail. 

This "secret door system" could be something they could point to and be proud of, and that would be great if it was something that the players wanted.

It's a solution for a problem that nobody else saw or saw as important.

If the players are lucky, it won't be worse than Guild Augments.  A system that worked nicely on deployment and that, even though it has fallen out of favor with the people who made the new system, doesn't break anything.

This will be another monument that goes neglected, and in a year, the person leaving now won't be pointing to a shining example of one person's effort resulting in lasting change, but rather a crumbling, rusting hulk.

Because that's the demonstrated core competency at Turbine.  "Allow a talented person to make something nice, then step on it".


You can't stop them from working on their secret door project now, but it would have been more impressive and evidence of real culture change to see their efforts redirected toward un-assing some of the things that other clowns have feather_of_sun'ed.


"Blah Blah Blah - not their department".  whatever.  Un-breaking things needs to be someone's department, even if it means someone is issued a box of wooden rulers, a Go-Pro camera, and the list of unresolved bugs sorted by the developer who introduced the lousy code to the live environment.  Pictures of repentant developers with bloody knuckles would have been a lasting monument for which the players would have been grateful.