Asheras wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:58am:



There are a lot of new people who haven't learned this yet so yes, it's too high.

I expect this of guidies and crap but puggers?   No.  Have those idiot don't even have CSW pots.

I chose all the answers because you made it multiple choice.

Most of my characters have a way to raise somebody...
Either through spells, scrolls or just a Shroud Clicky.

Now I didn't do it for all of them... My Barbarian and My Fighter are the only ones along the 10ish char I have at Epic level that cannot raise somebody else. My Clerics Can, My Bard Can, My Druid Can, My Rogues Can, My Monk Can ( if I manage the combo ).

Like Self Healing, as if potions were relevant at End Game... You need fucking UMD if you want to have decent self heal.

Really just the idea of loosing HPs ( most builds are going to loose some ) along with the loss of self healing is going to be more than annoying.

Asheras wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:58am:


I think your expectations are too high.

That's a little more of a fair expectation for a toon that has at least capped a second TR, or has been capped for years. But for most people, leveling through that first life goes so quickly, you cap before you can get all the little clickies and such you can use for stuff like that. Not everyone has had the time yet to make a trip pos item, because first they made their lit 2 (or two of them if they are TWF), and/or they farmed out their other main and situational stuff. Shit, I still don't have a trip pos weapon on any toon. By the time I farmed out the crap I needed for end game, the end game changed, and now I'm in the middle of redoing end game gear for all my capped toons. The ring of the ancestors is, iirc, only usable for good-aligned toons, and a lot don't go that direction for obvious reasons.

It doesn't really affect my gear, because all my toons have a way to rez anyway. I have rogues, bards, a druid, a light monk, a cleric, and a ranger that I play. I also have a wiz I never play and is stuck mid levels, and a sorc that will have UMD. I don't play fighters or bards. But I think you need to remember that you have been playing this game years longer than most, when there was less content and gear so stuff like rez clickies were farmed more frequently. You've had the time to collect all that kind of stuff. I'd rather people prioritize getting the best gear they can get so they can do more in the basics of a raid instead of loading themselves up with rez clickies and charisma items and GH cllickies. That stuff can come later. It's not the end of the world. And since more classes than not can usually rez, it almost always works out okay anyway.

LafoMamone wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 1:00pm:



You found my secret!


I would like to point out that we ALWAYS WON during those events, including Abbot and Hound where like 8-10 people had never fucking completed.

Be able to raise at least one person for when it looks like it could make a difference in success/fail.

It is stupid to not be able to do at least that.

25 Planar shards = 2 use Raise Dead clicky
http://ddowiki.com/page/Planar_Shard

Tobril wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 1:29pm:


I did like those Abbot runs, as they were quite fun. It was always interesting to watch how you would turn a raid from certain-fail to glaring success.

The other, more enticing reason for me joining was to experience the soft, unspoken, yet tangible homosexual tension between you and Samius.

GooFY wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 2:58pm:


I know that you're a noob here, but I'm not the resident Vault Grammar Czar. That's Arkat. It's the only thing he's reasonably good at, so I won't take it away from him.

LafoMamone wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 3:55pm:


I guess you haven't played with them lately. it is neither soft (if you know what I mean) nor unspoken.

I would say that your expectations are high, likely influenced by your experience in/with the game.  I would not be surprised if you were running with a lot of vets as well so that likely also has influence.

I think that if a player has been around for a while then it's something that can be reasonably expected but is not required.

If they are a newer player than it's not expected or required unless you are a Divine or a UMD heavy / likely class such as Rogue, Arty, Bard or Sorc or say a Light Monk.

LafoMamone wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 3:55pm:


Yes, a subtle interaction indeed.