Asheras wrote on Jul 2
nd, 2013 at 11:58am:
Was in a FoT last night. Got into an argument with a Ranger about whether everyone in the raid should be able to raise at least one person. The Ranger felt that only the Bard/FvS/Cleric/Pally/Rogue/Arti/etc (Someone with clear UMD or class raise/rez features) should be expected to be able to do so. Wizards, Barbs, Fighters, Monks, Etc should not be expected to be able to raise.
With the epic +1 to skills, even cross class you can easily get to (11.5+5)16 ranks+4(GH)+4(Charisma, even on a base 8 with +6 item and +3 or 4 tome and boat)+2 Good Luck +6 (Cha Skills Item)=32. That's enough to Raise dead.
All you need for the above is a Shroud +6 skills item, which is single shard. Maybe two gear swaps.
Or, just make Shroud item with Raise Dead on it. Only need Tier 2 for that. Don't even need a supreme shard, ffs. Who can't do that?
Or buy a ring of the ancestors. That only has a UMD check of 20, even if you are cross class.
I mean, it's not that hard right? Everyone should be able to raise at least once per raid.
Are my expectations too high?
I think your expectations are too high.
That's a little more of a fair expectation for a toon that has at least capped a second TR, or has been capped for years. But for most people, leveling through that first life goes so quickly, you cap before you can get all the little clickies and such you can use for stuff like that. Not everyone has had the time yet to make a trip pos item, because first they made their lit 2 (or two of them if they are TWF), and/or they farmed out their other main and situational stuff. Shit, I still don't have a trip pos weapon on any toon. By the time I farmed out the crap I needed for end game, the end game changed, and now I'm in the middle of redoing end game gear for all my capped toons. The ring of the ancestors is, iirc, only usable for good-aligned toons, and a lot don't go that direction for obvious reasons.
It doesn't really affect my gear, because all my toons have a way to rez anyway. I have rogues, bards, a druid, a light monk, a cleric, and a ranger that I play. I also have a wiz I never play and is stuck mid levels, and a sorc that will have UMD. I don't play fighters or bards. But I think you need to remember that you have been playing this game years longer than most, when there was less content and gear so stuff like rez clickies were farmed more frequently. You've had the time to collect all that kind of stuff. I'd rather people prioritize getting the best gear they can get so they can do more in the basics of a raid instead of loading themselves up with rez clickies and charisma items and GH cllickies. That stuff can come later. It's not the end of the world. And since more classes than not can usually rez, it almost always works out okay anyway.