Bigjunk wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 10:39am:


How is Spell power lower if the "heal skill" spell power bonus is equal to the "devotion ap" spell power bonus at the spot where this stat is met unless you don't start at the 12 or 14?

If you don't have a +stat item on that character you don't have max sp or max dc depending on the class.  Who's not max now?

I am not making you slot a skill item. I'm using a stat item you should be wearing really.

If you don't have that item it's going affect sp or dc. Either of which on a self healing character or an offensive caster I'd be slotting that item.

Asheras wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 10:56am:



heal, or repair, or Spellcraft (do they make such a thing?) item for the extra 15-20 or so spell power.

It's the same bullshit we had in Motu where you now need a Devotion item equipped on a Ranger/pally/bard whereas before an ardor pot would do. 

We need so much shit crammed in on our toons now that I'm sorry, we don't have room for anything else.

Flint wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 10:52am:



Retard, kill yourself.  Do humanity a favor and stop breathing.

Bigjunk wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 11:01am:


No where did I lose spell power from you current build. I gained you space in enhancements even. But you choose not to see it. See my other post for the only scenarios you'd lose spell power in my idea.

I also left out TOMES which would actually be another gain in spell power if you had either a stat or skill tome.

Asheras wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 11:03am:


LOL . . . the "end-game" of DDO is TRing . . . and now those chimps want to fuck with that with such brilliant ideas like resetting your ED XP.

It's all Feather's fault, it really is.  Loot is the driving factor that gets people to repeatedly run content at end-game.  When your mission in life is to obsolete the loot that came before you, you obsolete the pack where said loot comes from.

Asheras wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 11:06am:

Skills, not stats, right?

Kimberlite wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 11:08am:


Duh. Yep.  Skills.  My bad.

Bigjunk wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 11:09am:


Please go back and reread my original post and measure it against current in game systems.

I am not requiring a skill item, Skill tome, Stat tome, to get to the CURRENT casting bonuses available in game. I am requiring a basic build with base 12 or 14 base stat in a "primary or secondary" stat of the class chosen and the appropriate level item for that same stat to give you the EXACT spell power in game currently with enhancements maxed.

Flint wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 11:09am:


But, since you are in New Jersey, not San Diego, by this you mean:

Flint wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 11:33am:


10 with a +4 tome (I run a lot of EEs).  Just enough to caster a level 4 spell without an item.

Even at max-ranks of Heal I was 50 Spell Power short from what I was on live.

I have NO Free gear slots, equipping a "Heal" item is 100% out of the question.

Flint wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 11:45am:


It worked with the fucking retarded Protection tree, if we yell sense into them hard and loud enough eventually they'll start to listen.

NOTdarth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 11:49am:


Yes, it is a shame that it has to resort to torches-n-pitchfork but it does work.

NOTdarth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 11:49am:


No it didn't.  The "Scrap this piece of Shit" was all the people clamoring to drop the whole Enhancement Pass and stick with the current enhancement system, just finish the PrE's.  People who accepted that the Enhancement Pass was coming and made comments about it:  Cleric trees suck.  Not enough Trees.  Too many points needed.  Are seeing changes to the system, such as the dropping of protection and the two new trees for divines and the new tree for sorcs, etc, etc.

"Scrap this piece of shit" is always the first feedback ignored.