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It's been posted in the Lamannia section, but for wider dissemmination:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...30#post4503430

To support the Enhancement Revamp, every existing Character will get a LR +20 TOKEN upon login.

Fucking a. I was being a snarky asshole when I said that's what they should give us. Never thought they actually WOULD. Holy shit.

Anyone got a good 32-point halfling monk-build? 

Got Clonk I never play, maybe it's time to do something with him.

rest wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:



At least ça fait passer la pilule.

Now, it won't change much, Cha and Wis based spéellcasters will still be shafted compared to Int based spellcasters...
MajMal hasn't answered how I find 6 to 8 Build points on my Cleric without gimping her, so I suspect I'll have to forget about using Spellcraft and Heal.

Edit : seeing who announced it, I suspect he had to be hit hard by the Manglement Hammer.
Because that clearly wasn't in his mind during the dev chats at the last 'beta' of the NGE pass.

Flav wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:


This is DDO not, SWG.  2009 called and they want their joke back.

Asheras wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

I can see 4 to 6 build points quite easily, and 8 in at least one case. According to DDOWiki, clerics get 2 skill points per level plus int modifier.

I need concentration, and really like to have balance, diplomacy, UMD, and jump, not necessarily in that order. Spot is always nice on a melee build too. I prefer to build clerics with at least 3 skill points, and 4 after a +2 tome at level 7. For 3 skill points on a non-human, you need a starting int of 12 (four build point investment).

Now with DDO-NGE, the devs have removed spellpower from enhancements where they have been many years and added two new skills in their place - Spellpower and The New Heal. The New Heal is kind of like The New Coke, but makes even less sense.

So a cleric's options are to break the existing utility of their build in some way by giving up two existing skills that you found useful enough to be worth devoting build points to a dump stat, or else find two more skill points to maintain the same healing effectiveness you had before DDO-NGE.

Concentration, diplomacy, UMD, jump, balance and spot remain as important and useful as always, but now well-rounded Clerics have a problem.

With a starting int of 12 in an existing build, adding two skill points means needing six build points to get a starting Int of 16. If you start with an Int of 10, you need four more build points for most races. If you are really skill point happy and start with an Int of 13 (+1 tome at level 3, +3 tome at 11), two more skill points would cost you eight build points for most races.

I know that this is difficult to understand for people who only follow the Turbine paths. Perhaps you could ask Shade for some help with math.

Kimberlite wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:


Here's an idea.  Maybe you can't always get what you want.  Maybe you have to make choices.  Sorry.  Turbine doesn't need to give clerics enough skill points to have Concentration, balance, Jump, UMD, spot, Diplo, Heal, and Spellcraft.

That's 8 skills.  You are being greedy and entitled.

I want my pally to have WF Slashing, Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, IC: Slash, Toughness, Skill Focus: Intim, PL: Fighter, CE, Shield Mastery, and Improved Shield Mastery.  With Bulwark of Defense and Overwhelming Crit as Epic feats.  Can Turbine please tell me where I can get 13 feats on my pure pally? 

What about my Barb?  He needs WF Slashing, PA, Cleave, Great Cleave, 3xTHF, IC Slash, Toughness, Overhelming Crit.  That's 10 feats.  I don't want to make any choices or gimp my build because Turbine has too many options that are beneficial.

My Sorc and FvS have to make some tough choices for spells at level 6.  It's not fair.  Wizards get more slots.  WTF?  Why u gimp my favorite class?  I want all the lootz, all the features.  Or u suck and this is SWG-NGE all over again.  boo-hoo.      

Kimberlite wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 2:55pm:


I like how you try to mask blatant greed and selfishness as design flaws and failures on the part of Turbine.  You are a classic example of someone whose "feedback" is nothing more than a "gimmee, gimmee, gimmee" toddler temper trantrum.

"I can't have everything I want, when I want it.  How I want it. Waaaah!  This game sucks!  Turbine, you ruined it.  By not catering to me like my Mom always did!  Wah!"   

What a crybaby. 

Thinks spot, diplo, and UMD are all mandatory for his cleric. 

Asheras wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 3:08pm:

I like how you try to dismiss people wanting to have characters that play the same they have over the past four years (or more for Flav) as crybabies.

You are a classic example of a fanboi. You blatantly and willfully ignore the fact that whatever someone can do today with a cleric on the live servers will cost 4-8 more build points with DDO-NGE.

In your rush to suck the dicks of MajMal, Vargouille, and the new director, you refuse to see that people like Flav and I are not upset because we are not getting more - we are upset because of what we will have to give up.

Anyways, feel free to carry on with your usual methodology of changing topics, distracting, side-tracking, distorting, and failing to address the real issue.

Asheras wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 2:52pm:


Agreed.

The additional skills into which casters should invest points will certainly add diversity to the game by encouraging us to make new and exciting choices. 

It's clearly unreasonable to expect to be able to invest in the same skills to which we'd become accustomed AND the new skills.

Asheras wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 2:52pm:


That's a lousy example.  Nobody will need to take Toughness anymore, so it's like they're giving us all an EXTRA feat!

It used to be that you had to choose between Toughness and Stunning Blow, now that tough choice need not be made. 

It is a design flaw when you add a skill and change another one, then take away an ability, making the new skills a must have to make your character as effective as they previously were.