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Reply #25 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 3:30am
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Jerry is the second worst thing to happen to DDO in the long term of the game.

Look at how jaded memnir has become, seriously. Memnir used to be the best thing to happen to the forums, at one point in time there was not a single contentious thread memnir couldn't diffuse with his Gifs. Could you imagine him as a moderator for the forums right now how he is?
















































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the orginal name of this OP had the alt name of the guy that was not rowan in the OP. I had a moment of drunken clarity, and thought that I really didn't want the new members with no clue or ANYBODY for that matter to know that the guy that is not Rowan had an alt name. In fact I think he needs a new alt name AND HURRY and pad his post count (or crate a new alt and only tell a person that can manually pad his count).

I absolutely manipulated the title of this thread, I won't lie about it. But i said something that needed to be said, and I also called out a person that needed to be called out (a couple people that NEEDED to be called out actually).

And because what I felt i said about these people where they couldn't see it (or talked shit behind their backs) I decided to make another post where they could see it.

I was certain that by using the name I opened the OP with, the message was absolutely going to fly to the named people in the thread, like a wildfire in Arizona in the dry months.

Anyway, I don't really care, I had to get the talk shit behind their backs off my chest, and none of you have any doubt that this thread swept through the cubicles of Turbine on Turbines day off, at a time when the gross incompetence of the systems they employ was rearing it's ugly head-ergo the login/staying logged in issues in Arkat's above post.

I had no idea the hamster had finally died when I posted the OP.......... But it just made the honey that much sweeter when I found out.

Anyhow, peace out, I don't really care anymore, Turbine has been killing itself for so long now they can either change their failed policies of making a miserable experience for their players into one where players and opinions matter (grow some fucking skin turbine people, or get your shit together and stop releasing junk).

Anyway, fuck it. Fuck em. They can do what they want over there, I have seen no reason in over 5 years to justify changing my opinion, in fact, my oopinion only gets stronger every3 to 5 months or so.
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Reply #26 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 6:57am
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Well time for me to chime into this clusterfuck.

- There is definitely a problem in how the forums are handled...
    typical example of late is the sloppy work term on said forum used to define the forum downgrade... In some case of the use of that term infractions were given, and in other cases, for other users, but used in the same context and for the same reason no infraction was given.

Yet, the Forum Downgrade was ( and still is ) sloppy work. ( and I never earned infraction for stating it while Memnir did, to name two sides. )

The forums have been dead ( compared to before ) since that downgrade, and the fact that the Community relation team is either inexistant or a community un-relation team doesn't help.

- Cordovan and Tolero are not there or are just here to close threads/hand over infractions. They do not participate in the community at all... it can be days before they make a post ( any post ).
( beside the automated '*** of the week' )

As for the state of the game :

- the last year just wrecked the End-Game. ( obsoleted the items and the raids )
- the new extension is not going to help, it's probably  going to put a few more nails on the DDO coffin.
- the stupid way the enhancement pass was handled and it's content has made quite a few people pissed enough to quit the game.
- the stupid way the Epic TR has been planned and preliminarily discussed has made even more people stop playing.
- the fact that the player griefs about the game  are not listened or heard ( or even acknowledged ) officially and that the business plan is rolled out even when we ( players that spends hour in game, so have a fair idea of what people think there ) say it's a really bad idea to roll out things.
- All the above adds up to the point that a lot of people are taking a vacation from DDO while all the crashes ( Enhancement, Epic TR, ... ) happens, and eventually, if nothing take their time in the meantime they might come back. [honestly I don't think many will come back... 8  month is more than enough to find another game to play ]

all that makes me spend less and less time in DDO... the other reason is that lots of my friends, went F2P ( some even have problem with that... as ex-VIP with MoTU Collector and ShadowFail they should have access to all the pre-MoTU adventure packs... they can't enter them, and customer unsupport hasn't answered the mails after one fucking month and as more time pass without any unfucking of that, the more they are considering dropping it all... for players that have been playing for 7 years in static groups considering to drop said group due to account being fucked up and customer unsupport being just fucking a black hole. [ no phone is not really an option for European players, between the cost and the timezones ] )

Now my personal gripes :

- Retarded Bravery Streak has to be killed some way or another. It just kill LFM and pugging.
  Sure it was a good idea 4 years ago for TR people, but right now it's hurting the game quite a lot, because those TR prefer soloing instead of partying up with new players.
As the new players leave Korthos they discover that they can keep soloing, because nobody will party up with them for a normal Waterworks.
[ My suggestion is to bring back the old system that gave you a bonus when your party level was under the level of the quest. Why : no Streak to maintain, and if you want to tackle a LVL 13 quest with a LVL 8 party ( for a +50% Bonus ) you will have to be in a party. Oh and kill the stupid No Death bonus that almost everybody consider part of the quest XP, when it's just a bonus ]

- I know it's too late to do much about it, but the NGE Enhancement Crash shouldn't have seen the light. It hurts lots of players ( when they are aware of the incoming doom ) and it's going to push them to leave.
A lot of players ( those that do not read the forums regularly ) are not even aware that there's going to be a huge change in the character and that a lot of builds are going to become irrelevant in a matter of minutes.

Try to communicate in game, through the launcher, through mails and any other means to explain to all those unwary players that there's a huge change in game mechanic incoming and that they should prepare for it. There's going to be an angry flash mob when people discover the extend of the NGE Crash.

- no fucking endgame worth farming, no fucking loot worth farming.
  The broken and semi random named loot made by the feathered star is not interesting.
  The number of quests worth farming ( for items ) at endgame is nil as random lootgen is better than ( random powered ) named loot.
This in itself doesn't help keeping people in game. Once they have the items they want from random lootgen there's no point in doing more quests.

Solution : stop raising the level, develop now quests/raids, you need at least 6 raids and about 15/20 quests playable at endgame to keep people busy and happy...
Also you need to drop all those fucked up semi-random underpowered named items. Named loot is supposed to be more powerful than an equivalent item of the same ML not less as it is in the extension and in most of the case since MoTU.
Also Named Loot is where item creation rules are broken, so that a bonus that is not usually available on a given slot is available for Named Items.

I'll stop there, it's food time for me...
  

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Reply #27 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 11:22am
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I agree, the NGE in SWG sucked.

The DDO enhancement pass is actually going to make some interesting options available.  Stop trying to make the same build you've been playing for months or years.  Look at new options and find new things to do rather than just repeating the same tired old builds.  I've got about 4-5 new builds I want to try that look fun and powerful, at least on paper and in Lam.

Agree with you that MoTU weakened End game.  eGH added some strength.  Shadowfell is sticking a knife in the back of end game.  The loot issues, cap raise, lack of raid replayability.  All fucked.

Agree that the TR curve needs an adjustment and the bravery streak needs to go.  I'm ok with first time elite bonuses, but the bravery streak is a problem.  Once you get it to 5, taking one quest on Hard or Norm doesn't just cost you for that quest.  It costs you for the next 4 quests you run too.  That's too much loss, so it hinders grouping.  I also like underlevel bonuses.

Agree that the only focus should be about 4-5 packs worth of end game quests and raids.  That's what we need.  If you want to throw out non-epic versions of these 4-5 packs in the level 15-19 range, I would be OK with that, but the focus needs to be level 24-28 quest content. 

@umeannothing - Meh.  You don't play the game and have serious butthurt.  Why would anyone at Turbine listen to you?    I'm not saying you don't have a point about Jerry, but if you think anyone is going to read that and going to rethink their opinion or be moved to action, you really are stupid.  If the goal was to get all that anger and hatred out before it turns you into an all consuming ball of hatred, like Epoch, then I think you did just fine.  Hope you feel better and don't need to set a cat on fire anymore. 
  
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Reply #28 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 1:36am
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Asheras wrote on Aug 5th, 2013 at 11:22am:
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Stop trying to make the same build you've been playing for months or years.

If somebody has a build that they have enjoyed playing for months or years, why the fuck should they have to stop playing it?  That's bullshit.  There's no valid reason why even a single current build that isn't ungodly broken shouldn't be able to function exactly the same after the "expansion".  No valid reason.

Add more options for new builds, by all means.  But I don't think anybody actually wanted existing options to be cut way back at the same time.  I'm not sure which is more idiotic: Turbine thinking it's a good idea to risk pissing off a lot of paying customers who have seriously invested in a build they already enjoy and have fun with, or fanbois cheerleading the idea of Turbine giving from one hand while taking with the other.
  
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Reply #29 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 1:54am
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Stanley Nicholas wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 1:36am:
If somebody has a build that they have enjoyed playing for months or years, why the fuck should they have to stop playing it?  That's bullshit.  There's no valid reason why even a single current build that isn't ungodly broken shouldn't be able to function exactly the same after the "expansion".  No valid reason.

Add more options for new builds, by all means.  But I don't think anybody actually wanted existing options to be cut way back at the same time.  I'm not sure which is more idiotic: Turbine thinking it's a good idea to risk pissing off a lot of paying customers who have seriously invested in a build they already enjoy and have fun with, or fanbois cheerleading the idea of Turbine giving from one hand while taking with the other.



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Reply #30 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 8:42am
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Stanley Nicholas wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 1:36am:
If somebody has a build that they have enjoyed playing for months or years, why the fuck should they have to stop playing it?  That's bullshit.  There's no valid reason why even a single current build that isn't ungodly broken shouldn't be able to function exactly the same after the "expansion".  No valid reason.

Add more options for new builds, by all means.  But I don't think anybody actually wanted existing options to be cut way back at the same time.  I'm not sure which is more idiotic: Turbine thinking it's a good idea to risk pissing off a lot of paying customers who have seriously invested in a build they already enjoy and have fun with, or fanbois cheerleading the idea of Turbine giving from one hand while taking with the other.



The fanbois are stupider.
  
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Reply #31 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 8:43am
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All those who are sitting here saying a current working build should not be broken are like the Major who was transferred from supply.

Those who look for ways to fix those broken characters are Gunny Highway.

Yes I know some times it hurts but don't most MMO's do changes that break builds? Shit TURBINE'S done it before and people have adapted.  Evasion in plate nerf, Two weapon fighting changes, AC system changes, it's almost an every year occurrence.
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Reply #32 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 9:12am
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Bigjunk wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 8:42am:
The fanbois are stupider.


You don't need brain cells to be a fanboy... it's being critical while liking that requires a working brain.

Thus fanbois are just idiots. ( stupider is not enough, stupid people still have a few functioning brain cells   Tongue )
  

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Reply #33 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 11:53am
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Stanley Nicholas wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 1:36am:
If somebody has a build that they have enjoyed playing for months or years, why the fuck should they have to stop playing it?  That's bullshit.  There's no valid reason why even a single current build that isn't ungodly broken shouldn't be able to function exactly the same after the "expansion".  No valid reason.

Add more options for new builds, by all means.  But I don't think anybody actually wanted existing options to be cut way back at the same time.  I'm not sure which is more idiotic: Turbine thinking it's a good idea to risk pissing off a lot of paying customers who have seriously invested in a build they already enjoy and have fun with, or fanbois cheerleading the idea of Turbine giving from one hand while taking with the other.


I don't play the game to just run the same build month after month after month.  I understand this might be different than a lot of people.  That doesn't make you right and me wrong or vice versa.  It's just different ways to enjoy the game.

I just think it's time you accept the fact that not everyone is upset about the enhancement pass at this point.  It's nowhere near perfect.  It needs modifications in several areas.  But players who like to try new builds and experiment with new options will have a lot to do.  There are several players who are coming back because of the enhancement pass.  They felt like all the builds were "Been there/done that".  Sure, DDO will lose some players over this too.  Will it be a net positive or negative?  Dunno.  But it's not what's killing the game. 

The level cap and the loot grind and the non-existent end game are doing that.  If you want to rage about something, that's where your target should be.  The U19 loot is all kinds of fucked up in all kinds of ways.

Maybe this enhancement pass isn't for you because it messed up your build.  Maybe this game isn't for you anymore.  NWO has some pretty stable builds that don't change.  At all.  Maybe that's a better place for you.  At least until they get several years in and decide to make some changes.  Then you can get butt-hurt all over again.
  
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Asheras wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 11:53am:
Too bad for you if you enjoy different things about DDO than I do. Now STFU and go away.

ftfy with a tl;dr version.
  

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Note to any Turbine staffers reading this, and one I genuinely hope you share around the office: DDO has become a shit game because y'all have made it a shit game. Once it was great. Now, it's a festering puddle of monkey diarrhea. No matter how you try to justify it, or pat yourselves on the back for doing great jobs... it's a shit game now because of you. Y'all keep on giving the players the middle finger, and you keep expecting us to reward you for the abuse. I've had it with you narcissistic fuckwads and your myopic policies of ineptitude.
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Kimberlite wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 1:41pm:
ftfy with a tl;dr version.


Thanks.  That's much better.   Grin
  
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Flav wrote on Aug 5th, 2013 at 6:57am:
As for the state of the game : 


I would like to say ddo was a great game inspite of turbine. Sadly, not even a superhero of mmo's could survive turbine's assault of incompetent programmers. I do hope those turbine employee's at least know by now that they are useless in their field. (barring the marketing team that milked ddo players like cows)
  
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Hopefully the new producer will publish something on his view to the game... ( let me dream trolls ;P)
  
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Rincewind wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 7:01pm:
Hopefully the new producer will publish something on his view to the game... ( let me dream trolls ;P)


Granted, but he'll be working closely with Feather on it.
  
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karatekid wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 7:05pm:
Granted, but he'll be working closely with Feather on it.

but he can always put Feather on Forum moderation so he can FEEL the love Cheesy
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I would like to say ddo was a great game inspite of turbine. Sadly, not even a superhero of mmo's could survive turbine's assault of incompetent programmers. I do hope those turbine employee's at least know by now that they are useless in their field. (barring the marketing team that milked ddo players like cows)



I concur, it is the only game I have ever played that consistently punishes it's customers for, well, making the mistake of spending money on their product.

Christ, I *could* be good for a couple hundred dollars a month in TP, but I once or twice dared to show displeasure with the product I was paying for and was also punished for that too.

Rincewind wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 9:04pm:
but he can always put Feather on Forum moderation so he can FEEL the love


I have no doubt he feels the love from here, all those fuckers at TurbineDDO lurk on here with only a couple of exceptions. Think of it like watching deadliest Catch, and that douche Elliot: they just can't turn off the 2 way and allow people to vent and get it out without getting rid of them.

The policy of conform or leave is not helping their bottom line over there in the slightest, and Rowan needs to stop chapping his ass in a chair and pay more attention.

I can't start pointing my finger at Glin yet, and won't unless policies/ bad programming remain unchanged.

I still hope Glin can right the ship, but not a chance in hell I will gamble and hold my breath on it, the roots of failure are too deep for me to take that bet.
  

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I don't play the game to just run the same build month after month after month.  I understand this might be different than a lot of people.  That doesn't make you right and me wrong or vice versa.  It's just different ways to enjoy the game.


So?  Stating something so obvious it's meaningless is just that: meaningless.

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I just think it's time you accept the fact that not everyone is upset about the enhancement pass at this point.  It's nowhere near perfect.  It needs modifications in several areas.  But players who like to try new builds and experiment with new options will have a lot to do.  There are several players who are coming back because of the enhancement pass.  They felt like all the builds were "Been there/done that".  Sure, DDO will lose some players over this too.  Will it be a net positive or negative?  Dunno.  But it's not what's killing the game.


Interesting how you're assuming so much about me.  Did I say everyone is upset?  Did I imply it?  Nope.  You have no way of showing that undeserving builds should be nerfed or killed, so instead you're making shit up about me in an attempt to justify your fanboi-ism.  Regardless, there's still no valid reason the addition of new build options should arbitrarily preclude a lot of existing ones.

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The level cap and the loot grind and the non-existent end game are doing that.  If you want to rage about something, that's where your target should be.  The U19 loot is all kinds of fucked up in all kinds of ways.


Yup, end game is disappearing.  Guess what?  I agree, and yet I still have it in me to express displeasure about something else that also deserves it.

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Maybe this enhancement pass isn't for you because it messed up your build.  Maybe this game isn't for you anymore.  NWO has some pretty stable builds that don't change.  At all.  Maybe that's a better place for you.  At least until they get several years in and decide to make some changes.  Then you can get butt-hurt all over again.


Wrong again.  I don't have any builds that are unplayable because of this change.  None that will be irreparably broken, or even need the +20 heart.  It's still idiotic, regardless of how it may impact myself or any other specific individual.  Many will still be impacted negatively.
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Stanley Nicholas wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 11:05pm:
So?  Stating something so obvious it's meaningless is just that: meaningless.


Interesting how you're assuming so much about me.  Did I say everyone is upset?  Did I imply it?  Nope.  You have no way of showing that undeserving builds should be nerfed or killed, so instead you're making shit up about me in an attempt to justify your fanboi-ism.  Regardless, there's still no valid reason the addition of new build options should arbitrarily preclude a lot of existing ones.


Yup, end game is disappearing.  Guess what?  I agree, and yet I still have it in me to express displeasure about something else that also deserves it.


Wrong again.  I don't have any builds that are unplayable because of this change.  None that will be irreparably broken, or even need the +20 heart.  It's still idiotic, regardless of how it may impact myself or any other specific individual.  Many will still be impacted negatively.


I state obvious, meaningless points because you seem too stupid to comprehend them on your own.

Here's another one:  This is an MMO.  Things change in MMO's.  You can not like it all you want.  You can bitch and moan about it all you want and it's still going to happen. 

You seem to be a fan pissing into the wind.  Enjoy that, dumbass. 

  
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umeannothing wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 10:32pm:
I can't start pointing my finger at Glin yet, and won't unless policies/ bad programming remain unchanged.

I still hope Glin can right the ship, but not a chance in hell I will gamble and hold my breath on it, the roots of failure are too deep for me to take that bet.



Hmm, Glin was Producer for all the fucked up things... Now it's Rowan, the friend of The Kobold.

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Flav wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 3:06am:
Hmm, Glin was Producer for all the fucked up things... Now it's Rowan, the friend of The Kobold.

Just clarifying



the problem with hatred and anger, sometimes the hatred twists the facts around in ones head, as seen by my ignorant ass post then.

Swap them around then, swap them around.


https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/419586-Introduction!-And-a-brief-Produ...


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Asheras wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 11:53am:
But players who like to try new builds and experiment with new options will have a lot to do.

Think "a lot to do" might be pushing it. I think it'll be hard to find 10 good builds, and most of those that are found will be exploiting the same few mechanics.
  
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Reply #46 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 10:41pm
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kum-gulp wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:25pm:
Think "a lot to do" might be pushing it. I think it'll be hard to find 10 good builds, and most of those that are found will be exploiting the same few mechanics.


For min-max'ers there will only be 4-5 builds that will become the zeitgeist.

But there is a lot more to builds than min-maxing for EE and end game.  The meta-gamers rule the forums and the discussion but that's only a small percentage of the overall population.
  
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Reply #47 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 7:13am
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Asheras wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 10:41pm:
But there is a lot more to builds than min-maxing for EE and end game.  The meta-gamers rule the forums and the discussion but that's only a small percentage of the overall population. 


I am feeling a bit of anxiety about the amount of work it'll be to figure out what's going to work for running Heroic Elites and Epic Hards.   

Of all my toons, the one I've put the most work into will be affected the most and require quite a bit of thought   Completionist 11Ranger/9Monk/5Epic all EDs capped.
I've got way to many directions to go.

I have 2 other toons that are EE viable and will weather the shit-storm EP and might even come out ahead or at least as good as current live.

1st life 20 FVS/5 Epic,5 LD specced/geared mainly for healing and survivability, will require very little thought to rebuild.

2nd Life 2Monk/18Druid/5Epic, 5 Shiradi will require some work as well but pretty excited about the SLAs.
  

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Reply #48 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 10:57am
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Mokune wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 7:13am:
I am feeling a bit of anxiety about the amount of work it'll be to figure out what's going to work for running Heroic Elites and Epic Hards.   

Of all my toons, the one I've put the most work into will be affected the most and require quite a bit of thought   Completionist 11Ranger/9Monk/5Epic all EDs capped.
I've got way to many directions to go.

I have 2 other toons that are EE viable and will weather the shit-storm EP and might even come out ahead or at least as good as current live.

1st life 20 FVS/5 Epic,5 LD specced/geared mainly for healing and survivability, will require very little thought to rebuild.

2nd Life 2Monk/18Druid/5Epic, 5 Shiradi will require some work as well but pretty excited about the SLAs.


My biggest question mark is my handwrap based monk.  I'm not sure what to do there.  It feels like you need kensai to be viable with handwraps because the Monk trees don't give you anything for unarmed combat. 

Or you need to take your monk to armed combat with staves or shortswords.
  
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Reply #49 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 11:58am
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Wait, What?

You don't have the game installed.
You're banned.
You're banned from the forums.
You have no interest in playing again.




And you're still here bitching about it?



Grow
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