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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #50 - Aug 13^th, 2013 at 4:55am	Print Post
	rest wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 3:25pm: CR 73 trash mobs? LOLWUT The harpy matriarch (red name) is CR 77 and dishes out the pain. IIRC the endboss giant is CR78.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9986 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #51 - Aug 13^th, 2013 at 5:10am	Print Post
	rest wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 3:25pm: CR 73 trash mobs? LOLWUT shrug nothing to see, move along. I had to create CR 150 mob in NWN to make the LVL 30 consider them more than a nuisance that could be run past... It comes with all the phat loot we have. The CR system works fine for PnP where a given party of 10+ characters will have what one ( 1 ) of our DDO carries when it comes to items. In Online games where loot is... well abundant is not powerful enough... The CR system is fubared.

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LafoMamone Waterworks Kobold Offline Feather of Sun's Chief Muse Posts: 117 Joined: Apr 22^nd, 2013	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #52 - Aug 13^th, 2013 at 9:13am	Print Post
	rest wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 3:25pm: CR 73 trash mobs? LOLWUT This is nothing unexpected. They will just keep inflating mob CR like they inflate saves and HP, because it requires no thinking or hard work on their part.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9986 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #53 - Aug 13^th, 2013 at 1:30pm	Print Post
	With the NWN system, just the inflating HP, so that LVL 30 characters couldn't one shot the monster, was leading to such aberrant CRs. As it's probably more or less the same system that is used for CR calculation in DDO it's not far off to consider that it's the result of inflated HPs and saves. ( I know the system is described in one of the book )

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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #54 - Aug 13^th, 2013 at 2:22pm	Print Post
	has anyone taken a Necro caster into these things? Can you actually land spells?


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #55 - Aug 14^th, 2013 at 7:00am	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Aug 13^th, 2013 at 2:22pm: has anyone taken a Necro caster into these things?� Can you actually land spells? Nothing about the enhancement pass or new itemization made me want to dust off my 8 past life pale master. The few DC gained are offset by big jumps in trash mob CR.


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #56 - Aug 14^th, 2013 at 11:49am	Print Post
	On the other hand, PMs were already borderline viable in EE GH and new equip should push them over the top. As long as you don't want to run EE new content, PMs'll be able to cut through anything else. Though I suppose PMs will still struggle with boss DPS vs shiradi or draconic sorc.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #57 - Aug 14^th, 2013 at 12:20pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 11:49am: On the other hand, PMs were already borderline viable in EE GH and new equip should push them over the top. As long as you don't want to run EE new content, PMs'll be able to cut through anything else. Though I suppose PMs will still struggle with boss DPS vs shiradi or draconic sorc. PMs are fine in EE GH with the new changed, that don't mean shit if they're gimped in end-game. Though a wraith-form shiradi Evocation AM might not be terrible.


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #58 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	There's too much fucking trash in the new quests.� I solo'd EE Tracker's Trap and killed 169 mobs, which only netted Onslaught.� High mob density != difficulty or entertainment. And the end fight...Killing the pair of Nether Orbs four times is not clever, it's aggravating and one dimensional. If I was a melee, I would have thrown my keyboard across the room in frustration. The devs can do better.
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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #59 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:16pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:11pm: There's too much fucking trash in the new quests.� I solo'd EE Tracker's Trap and killed 169 mobs, which only netted Onslaught.� High mob density != difficulty or entertainment. And the end fight...Killing the pair of Nether Orbs four times is not a clever mechanic. "And what could be more unexpected than... more of the same!"


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Uhkam Korthos Resident Offline Suomi Perkele! Posts: 11 Location: Finland Joined: Jul 9^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #60 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:37pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:16pm: "And what could be more unexpected than... more of the same!" QFT and nice reference to the Lord of Stone. And, TBH... I think I have this kind of opinion about the game atm:

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whothefuckami Stormreaver Piker Offline Oppan Gangnam Style Posts: 599 Joined: Oct 6^th, 2010	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #61 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 9:04pm	Print Post
	Saves are supposedly lower than EE GH but not by much. Kinda odd given the CR bloat.

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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9986 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #62 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:03am	Print Post
	CR is not linked to saves... At least if they didn't tweak the CR calculating functions. ( they should still be the same than the old NWN ones, and are based on the stuff found in the DMG. ) CR is a combination of Hit Dice, Level, Weapons and a few other things to a lesser extend. In NWN you could make CR2 mob that always saved from Epic Spells. ( but they had 5 HP. )

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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #63 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:15pm	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:03am: CR is not linked to saves... At least if they didn't tweak the CR calculating functions. ( they should still be the same than the old NWN ones, and are based on the stuff found in the DMG. ) CR is a combination of Hit Dice, Level, Weapons and a few other things to a lesser extend. In NWN you could make CR2 mob that always saved from Epic Spells. ( but they had 5 HP. ) Except monsters have a saving throw progression based off of their Hit Dice. So yes CR does in a way affect saves.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #64 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:48pm	Print Post
	whothefuckami wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 9:04pm: Saves are supposedly lower than EE GH but not by much. Kinda odd given the CR bloat. We got a bunch more DC. 61 Necro works good enough. it's not god-mode but it works well enough especially with the enervation SLA. This is also far from maxed. Some mobs like the CR 70 giants require Enervation Scroll+SLA+ Energy Drain + Curse to nail with any kind of reliability. Just hit 'em with ottos and let the melees kill them.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #65 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:50pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:11pm: There's too much fucking trash in the new quests.� I solo'd EE Tracker's Trap and killed 169 mobs, which only netted Onslaught.� High mob density != difficulty or entertainment. And the end fight...Killing the pair of Nether Orbs four times is not clever, it's aggravating and one dimensional. If I was a melee, I would have thrown my keyboard across the room in frustration. The devs can do better. My issue with this is the lag from the spawns is nuts.


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #66 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:55pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:50pm: My issue with this is the lag from the spawns is nuts.� � Spawn lag is terrible. A prime example is Friends in Low Places when waves of mobs are attacking the camp.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #67 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:34pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 2:55pm: Spawn lag is terrible.� A prime example is Friends in Low Places when waves of mobs are attacking the camp. Yeah, Turbine should know better than to have stuff like that in a game with this piss-poor of an engine.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #68 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:04pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:11pm: There's too much fucking trash in the new quests.� I solo'd EE Tracker's Trap and killed 169 mobs, which only netted Onslaught.� High mob density != difficulty or entertainment. And the end fight...Killing the pair of Nether Orbs four times is not clever, it's aggravating and one dimensional. If I was a melee, I would have thrown my keyboard across the room in frustration. The devs can do better. I had 249 kills in the Wheloon quest where you have to run around trying to save your allies after you go into the warehouse and the whole place collapses. The trash was everywhere. It was crazy.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #69 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:38pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:04pm: The trash was everywhere.� It was crazy. Do the end-fight in "What goes up" on EE if you want to see crazy.


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	Bigjunk wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:38pm: Do the end-fight in "What goes up" on EE if you want to see crazy.� Heh,� I spent like 4 hours in that quest yesterday on my monkgimp. Hordes of 20 orcs spawning from nowhere, fucking webs from casters, Shadar kunt spawns, lag from those Otilukes, lag to your death by falling. Billion hp pylons, invisible boss. I will never do that shit ever again. Fuck those boots. RANDOM SPAWN FROM NOWHERE IS THE MOST GAY MECHANIC EVER.


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Kimberlite Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1074 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #71 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 2:15pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 2:07pm: RANDOM SPAWN FROM NOWHERE IS THE MOST GAY MECHANIC EVER. Dude, it's random. People love that shit. Random here, random there, random everywhere, in loot, in quests, in enhancements, in damage procs, you name it, random is The Shiznit. FoS says so, and the cocks in management that he's been sucking for the past year concur.

	Memnir wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:59am: Note to any Turbine staffers reading this, and one I genuinely hope you share around the office: DDO has become a shit game because y'all have made it a shit game. Once it was great. Now, it's a festering puddle of monkey diarrhea. No matter how you try to justify it, or pat yourselves on the back for doing great jobs... it's a shit game now because of you. Y'all keep on giving the players the middle finger, and you keep expecting us to reward you for the abuse. I've had it with you narcissistic fuckwads and your myopic policies of ineptitude.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #72 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 3:55pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:38pm: Do the end-fight in "What goes up" on EE if you want to see crazy.� I just ran the Mirror one. Geez there's a few spots where it's a bitch. Some of those rooms are small and those Shadar Kai chain attacks get nasty if those folks get up a full head of steam and the reach on it covered the room. Add to the fact that not everybody's mirror happens at the same time and you can get split up.


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OldCoaly Puppy Farmer Offline Why did you think this time would be different? Posts: 1564 Location: WAAHH!!!Testing stuff is HARD! Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #73 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 4:05pm	Print Post
	Kimberlite wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 2:15pm: Random here, random there, random everywhere, in loot, in quests, in enhancements, in damage procs, you name it, random is The Shiznit. I feel like this is very close to proper Seussian format and that with a little massaging it could be another One Fish, Two Fish.

	Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:43pm: they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan. Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 1:11pm: Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things. eighnuss wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm: everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am: I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy. Skoodge wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 6:54am: DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass. GooFY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm: Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence. � Meursault wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up. Meursault wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close. palmer01 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am: Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy. PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 1:24am: The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.
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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What're the new quests like on EE? Reply #74 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 4:18pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 3:55pm: I just ran the Mirror one.� Geez there's a few spots where it's a bitch.� Some of those rooms are small and those Shadar Kai chain attacks get nasty if those folks get up a full head of steam and the reach on it covered the room.� Add to the fact that not everybody's mirror happens at the same time and you can get split up. I DC'd in the mirror one, cam back with no mirror and had to pike the rest of that quest. What a stupid fucking quest mechanic. The Wheloon chain is all shit anyway so meh.


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