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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	New QP stuff Aug 9^th, 2013 at 6:32pm	Print Post
	NEW The Monk Feat: Quivering Palm now gains DC bonuses from all enhancements, feats, items, and Epic Destiny abilities that increase Sunder DC What kind of DC can we expect to see?


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: New QP stuff Reply #1 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:42pm	Print Post
	the same as stunning fist, i would assume.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: New QP stuff Reply #2 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	Yes . . . a 70 DC insta-kill with a 6 second cool-down is completely reasonable. If you need to find me I'll be in ID with my monk . . .


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: New QP stuff Reply #3 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:03pm	Print Post
	SF is half char level while QP is half monk level, right? Or did that change?


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: New QP stuff Reply #4 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:06pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:03pm: SF is half char level while QP is half monk level, right? Or did that change? It's still half monk level.


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: New QP stuff Reply #5 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:10pm	Print Post
	If char level counts epic levels, that's +14 SF vs +6 QP even for a 12 monk. So not quite SF level, but still a way easier instakill than just about any wizard.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: New QP stuff Reply #6 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:12pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:10pm: If char level counts epic levels, that's +14 SF vs +6 QP even for a 12 monk. So not quite SF level, but still a way easier instakill than just about any wizard. Yup, my guidie's half-assed monk would have been at a 69 DC if he had a sunder item.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: New QP stuff Reply #7 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:13pm	Print Post
	still. you're getting +15 items (16 if you use the cloak with +6) +6 LD twist +3 fighter lives + X racial bonust over what you have already. My monk will only get +21, but that still puts him at a 60 dc easily... I haven't played him in ages so i don't know exactly what his dc is. last i checked it was ~39.


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: New QP stuff Reply #8 - Aug 10^th, 2013 at 10:23am	Print Post
	rest wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:13pm: My monk will only get +21, but that still puts him at a 60 dc easily... I haven't played him in ages so i don't know exactly what his dc is. last i checked it was ~39. As a long time pale master, 60 DC vs. Fort saves in EE isn't anything to be excited about. Quote: If char level counts epic levels, that's +14 SF vs +6 QP even for a 12 monk. So not quite SF level, but still a way easier instakill than just about any wizard. Character levels include epic levels; Stunning Fist gets a +14 bonus at level 28.� Sunder: 10 base 04 Improved Sunder feat 10 item 05 Mastery 07 Half Monk level 15 15 WIS bonus (=40 WIS) 02 ED Tactics feat 03 Kensei Tactics 06 LD Legendary Tactics twist 03 GMoF tactics ---- 65 05 Fortitude debuff from 5 hits with Sunder item 03 Improved Sunder debuff ---- 73 DC Quivering Palm (situational), without Fighter past lives or Completionist.� There's room for improvement, with +13 Sunder items in the expansion and the +6 Mastery challenge cloak. I haven't verified, but GMoF should count as +5 monk levels for the purposes of Quivering Palm similar to arcane/divine EDs counting as caster levels.
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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: New QP stuff Reply #9 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 1:23am	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 10:23am: As a long time pale master, 60 DC vs. Fort saves in EE isn't anything to be excited about. At level 28 my maxed PM is getting 65 DC. A shitty monks beats this. Yeah, this is completely balanced.


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: New QP stuff Reply #10 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:20am	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 1:23am: At level 28 my maxed PM is getting 65 DC. A shitty monks beats this. Yeah, this is completely balanced. Have no fear...it will be nerfed...hard.

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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: New QP stuff Reply #11 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 11:32am	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:20am: Have no fear...it will be nerfed...hard. I'd wager this will go live like this then get nerfed hard. They're at the "code-freeze" ore whatever so it can't be changed. And the monk whining will be glorious when this nerf happens. People have already started rationalization it to be reasonable.


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dooshbag Korthos Resident Offline Not so much Posts: 29 Location: Womb Joined: Jul 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: New QP stuff Reply #12 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:20am	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 11:32am: I'd wager this will go live like this then get nerfed hard.� They're at the "code-freeze" ore whatever so it can't be changed. And the monk whining will be glorious when this nerf happens.� People have already started rationalization it to be reasonable.� The only semi-rational argument against that I've seen is that of the DC caster complaining that they cant get their instakills up as high as the new QP.� The new version of this ability is actually useful now in high end content and scale-able and forces the player to have to choose to include sunder effects on their items/feats (which of course means losing other effects).


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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: New QP stuff Reply #13 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 10:49am	Print Post
	About fucking time they did something to make this ability useful beyond level 16.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: New QP stuff Reply #14 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:25am	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 10:23am: As a long time pale master, 60 DC vs. Fort saves in EE isn't anything to be excited about. It's getting better than it was before. That's really all that matters. I always throw it out whenever it's off timer, whether or not it's effective. Once in a while something rolls a 1. With the boost it's getting, maybe I'll see it land more often. Or maybe not. But I'll still use it. Ki is cheap and easy to come by.


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LafoMamone Waterworks Kobold Offline Feather of Sun's Chief Muse Posts: 117 Joined: Apr 22^nd, 2013	Re: New QP stuff Reply #15 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:12pm	Print Post
	It will most definitely get nerfed, but not before people spend a considerable amount of time building a toon around this ability. Only then, at its peak, will this ability get nerfed back to nothingness that it was before. This is Turbine's mantra: never pass up the opportunity to give a big "Fuck You" to time invested by players.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: New QP stuff Reply #16 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:20pm	Print Post
	LafoMamone wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:12pm: It will most definitely get nerfed, but not before people spend a considerable amount of time building a toon around this ability. Only then, at its peak, will this ability get nerfed back to nothingness that it was before. This is Turbine's mantra: never pass up the opportunity to give a big "Fuck You" to time invested by players. yeah . . . I just dropped a 1 million plat on a pair of shatter +10 wraps. Maybe I can wipe my ass with them after the nerf.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: New QP stuff Reply #17 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 3:25pm	Print Post
	shoulda waited, since only newly created shatter items get the boost to whatever bullshit save reduction ability feather of sucks is adding to shatter/stunning/vertigo


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