...with just ruining current gear and new gear.  Now he's going after your old gear.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/420338-Item-changes-for-those-level-0-...

This may be old news to some of you, but it was new to me now that the Lam forums are open again.

3 week old news... But yes, it's probably part of his ongoing war against all the old fixed ( named ) items.

Meh.  I think we all knew our ML0 GFL and +6 stat items were too good to last.  At least I got 10 TRs worth of use out of them.

Are Madfloyd/Eladirin still there?  My impression so far is that they are not, or moved out of positions of authority.  And I believe this is why Feather is running amok destroying things left and right in the name of his 'Randomness' banner.

One would think that a developer's focus, at least partly, would center around integration of what was before into their vision.  Not arbitrary and random destructive changes.

Carpone wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 9:01am:


kinda this. Expecting to keep a normally minimum level 9 (when masterfully crafted) item with min level 0 was kinda dumb.....from the moment this was accidentally created you shoulda been watching for a dev to care enough to fix it....

So no surprise here, although it does suck and there are better things to spend dev time on (like, I don't know, making a new raid/items for a raid? ya I don't know, sounds crazy.)

Also, nerfing ML0 items doesn't really matter.  TRing in Turbine's new XP decay system will be awful.  The only way to win is not to play.

Glenalth wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 3:23pm:

With 20% minimum, they'll need to be exceptional XP/min. I don't know if it would even be worthwhile for people to try to do a two or three day TR. This change could act as a leveling speed governor.

For those slowpokes like me who take months to TR, it opens up some interesting options. I would like to know what they mean by 50% recovery of decay after 18 hours - does that mean 36 hours to zero ransack penalty? I am not going to download Lama to find that out right now, I can wait a week. If it means full recovery in two days, there is some interesting under level stuff you can do.

From release notes:
Quote:

For multi-week or month TRs, I would be tempted to hit the highest XP/min quests at a lower level, piking behind alts that are three levels higher if necessary. Tear of Dhakaan could become something you first hit as a party at level 5 or 6, and run twice a day until level 10. It might also make a hard streak more attractive, since a hard streak will let you hit the highest XP quests at a lower level than usual, and keep farming them longer. Shadow Crypt could be farmed from 7 through 14. Wiz King from 10 through 16.

If you know you get full XP for one run every day and 20% first time daily bonus, why not start stuff like Vale quests and Sane Asylum at level 15 and run the highest XP ones twice a day?

This will make it a lot easier to get a F2P account leveled to 20. It will also be another bullet in the head of the lowest XP/min quests. Other than favour, who would even set foot into Threnal when VoN 3 is waiting for them every day for that entire level range? I hope Turbine bumped up the low XP/minute quests when they did this, but I doubt it.

Bigjunk wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 1:17am:

I'll believe it when someone posts a speed TR guide.  There's a reason people run the same 60 quests every life: 75% of the quests in this game have shitty XP/min rewards.  Adding a 20% daily bonus won't make them better.

Munkenmo wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 1:44am:



Most sensible solution presented, good thinking 

If you streak, you'll be getting much better xp.

If you run a Quest once, you're up 20% XP.
If you run it twice, You're up 10% XP.
If you run it three times, You're only -10% xp.
I do believe they've said the First completion per difficulty remains intact.
After your 22nd repetition in a day, you'll be netting a greater total XP than the old system.

If you do EEHN, you're getting more XP than EEHN in the old system.


If you're one of these people that insists on doing Litany 14 times, Well, They sell Otto's Boxes to appease your need for XP/Min.

New System       Old System
120	120		100	100
80	200		90	190
60	260		80	270
40	300		70	340
20	320		60	400
20	340		50	450
20	360		40	490
20	380		30	520
20	400		20	540
20	420		10	550
20	440		10	560
20	460		10	570
20	480		10	580
20	500		10	590
20	520		10	600
20	540		10	610
20	560		10	620
20	580		10	630
20	600		10	640
20	620		10	650
20	640		10	660
20	660		10	670
20	680		10	680
20	700		10	690 

Carpone wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 3:12pm:


I win.

Carpone wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 9:01am:


I completely agree.  The part I am more concerned about is that folks with first-year Risia items ('Frost' instead of 'Festival Frost') are getting screwed.  Those items were earned 'fair-and-square'.  Changing them would be complete BS, so they need to hold off on this change until they can grandfather those items into the new system.  That should be possible with a little data manipulation.

They also haven't commented on what happens with BTA chain-end rewards.  One would hope that they remain 2 ML's lower that comparable items, but... Turbine.

Then there are twink items like old Fernian wraps.  There is no reason those need to change.  They are just old items that it was *gasp* fun to have at low levels (not "need" to have, just fun to have).

Bottom line is they haven't thought through all of the possible ramifications of this change.  Shocking, I know...

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php?&postid=5065364#post5065364

On randomly generated weapons, minimum level to equip the item is based on the item's Total Enhancement Value, which is the "plus number" in the top right corner of the item tooltip.

Weapons, armor, docents, robes, outfits, and shields follow the following progression:
+1 - Level 1
+2 - Level 2
+3 - Level 4
+4 - Level 6
+5 - Level 8
+6 - Level 10
+7 - Level 12
+8 - Level 14
+9 - Level 16
+10 - Level 18
+11 - Level 20
+12 - Level 21
+13 - Level 22
+14 - Level 23
+15 - Level 24
+16 - Level 25
+17 - Level 26
+18 - Level 27
+19 and higher - Level 28

"Accessory" items (gloves, boots, cloak, rings and such) use the following progression:
+1 - Level 1
+2 - Level 3
+3 - Level 5
+4 - Level 7
+5 - Level 9
+6 - Level 11
+7 - Level 13
+8 - Level 15
+9 - Level 17
+10 - Level 19
+11 - Level 20
+12 - Level 21
+13 - Level 22
+14 - Level 23
+15 - Level 24
+16 - Level 25
+17 - Level 26
+18 - Level 27
+19 and higher - Level 28

Up to level 20, this is the same they have followed for many years on the Live servers, as well. Random items with levels that do not match their value are the result of data entry errors or other bugs.

The difference now is that the game automatically handles item level on random equipment, and so these kinds of bugs automatically fix themselves, and cannot occur again in the future.

As evidenced by the fact that only a few people have seen alterations in the level of their items, there are not many bugged items out there that are in this situation. If we could somehow track and exempt them, we would do so- however, this is a global change to how items in DDO function. These items have nothing unique about them that we can check or otherwise track in order to exempt them from how item level is now set.

This goes both ways- some items that had too high of a level will correct themselves downwards.
We also adjusted the values of some properties downwards. For example, Banishing, Vorpal, Smiting, and Disruption are now +4 instead of +5, which means that they contribute less to the minimum level required to equip the items they are on.