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Loss of Force Spellpower, Sharadi Procs Redux?
Aug 15th, 2013 at 1:14pm
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I was informed recently by a guildie that come XPac I should expect to see a 30% reduction in spellpower for Archmages/Artificers.  And also that Sharadi Procs were reduced by an unknown, but noticable amount.  Has anyone seen this on the Lamania build and can confirm?
  
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Re: Loss of Force Spellpower, Sharadi Procs Redux?
Reply #1 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:01pm
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I'll certainly be watching before/after xpac, but I never got around to messing with my shiradi on lama.
  
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Re: Loss of Force Spellpower, Sharadi Procs Redux?
Reply #2 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:03pm
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There are no spellpower enhancements anymore. Some trees (including archmage) grant a +1 spellpower bonus per point spent in the tree. Depending on your enhancements, this will probably result in a lower spellpower number. However, I don't think that it's going to be a loss of -30%. You might lose about 40 Spellpower, but then there's the spellcraft skill (iirc that's the name), which is int-based and also adds +1 spellpower per rank.

23 base
8 epic
15 int (from 40 int, a very modest number for a wizard or arty)
4 gh
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+ 50 spell power

this compensates for the enhancements lost.
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Re: Loss of Force Spellpower, Sharadi Procs Redux?
Reply #3 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:11pm
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Works fine, for a wizard. Those non-int caster classes got well and proper fucked.
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Re: Loss of Force Spellpower, Sharadi Procs Redux?
Reply #4 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:14pm
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Can’t speak for Archmages.  But, my artificer’s force spell power on lammaland went up.  (270 to 325+.  I also got free fire and electric SP out of the deal.)

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1.  I agree a lot of it is from Spellcraft
2.  I invested in the Runearm buffs for being able to run around while charging and for the spellpower while charged.
3.  I had the Battle Engineer capstone with a Needle.  (Implement bonus)
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Reply #5 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:00pm
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The Shiradi archetype hasn't lost it's capabilities.  It's also still the only caster option.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:25pm
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Wizard shiradi definitely hasn't lost any punch, in fact, it probably gains quite significantly

Sorcs?  Maybe, there's definitely a loss in force spellpower, but a gain in other areas.  Elemental spells now proc additional abilities depending on savant, and those changes seem like they will be making their way to live, apparently.
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 4:57pm
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rest wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:11pm:
Works fine, for a wizard. Those non-int caster classes got well and proper fucked.


Yeah, before the EP changes were announced I had planned on TRing my Wiz back into a caster Cleric, now I'm not so sure about that any more. And not sure wtf I'm gonna do with my Sorc either. Maybe make him a Bard or Pally or something else useful like that Wink
  
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Re: Loss of Force Spellpower, Sharadi Procs Redux?
Reply #8 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 5:27pm
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pnellesen wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 4:57pm:
Yeah, before the EP changes were announced I had planned on TRing my Wiz back into a caster Cleric, now I'm not so sure about that any more. And not sure wtf I'm gonna do with my Sorc either. Maybe make him a Bard or Pally or something else useful like that Wink


Just avoid Cleric... unless you like being the Raid Hjealbot. ( despite the nice Spellcaster tree, there's not many options left to clerics )
Just avoid Sorceror... Charisma based will just let you be a second class spellcaster compared to Int Based, as you won't get spellpower from Spellcraft.
Just avoid Ranger, Paladin and Bard... they were already shafted, but soon they will be shafted so hard that they are all going to feel the butthurt.
I can't tell for Artificer, but they probably manage to survive better than other.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 8:03pm
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Thanks for the responses Wink

Looks like a false alarm then.  And that is how I'd prefer it.  Too much on the plate already...
  
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Re: Loss of Force Spellpower, Sharadi Procs Redux?
Reply #10 - Aug 16th, 2013 at 11:27am
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Carpone wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:00pm:
The Shiradi archetype hasn't lost it's capabilities.  It's also still the only caster option.

what do u man only caster option? , i instakill stuff 10 times faster with my sorc in dragonic....( ee gh i have to drain first , but its stil faster killing) and i have not seen shirady sorc yet who take my aggro. shirady is just much cheaper to cast and takes no skill, but its aslo booring as fuck to cast stupid magic missiles....
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Re: Loss of Force Spellpower, Sharadi Procs Redux?
Reply #11 - Aug 16th, 2013 at 3:16pm
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Flav wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 5:27pm:
Just avoid Cleric... unless you like being the Raid Hjealbot. ( despite the nice Spellcaster tree, there's not many options left to clerics )
Just avoid Sorceror... Charisma based will just let you be a second class spellcaster compared to Int Based, as you won't get spellpower from Spellcraft.
Just avoid Ranger, Paladin and Bard... they were already shafted, but soon they will be shafted so hard that they are all going to feel the butthurt.
I can't tell for Artificer, but they probably manage to survive better than other.


My Arti is better off come monday.

With the exception of FvS (cuz, really, fuck Divines. Turbine's a bunch of atheists!  Cheesy), All the P2P Classes got a lot better.  Druid is about the same, slight buff. Monks got a lot better, because Lord knows they needed it. Cheesy Arti got better, though not as good as monks (guess they're not allowed to be as good as the Boss's pet class).

And the weaker classes got a lot weaker. Pally (Turbine will always triumph over Paladins, because Good is Dumb.) and Bard (If anyone's stupid enough to make a pure Bard, there's not enough shit to buy and not end up with Song of Arcane Might, Enthrall, and Inspire Recklessness. All 3 prestiges are now the base class! Cheesy) I think Ranger actually comes out ahead on this pass; Dex for Dmg helps them alot and no longer makes Dex the Newb Trap it used to be. It also adds the requisite Drizzt Knob Slobbering for making Scimmies light weapons. Go Forgotten Realms!

Turbine got sick of the "hired from Zynga" mantra and has moved on to the cellphone pokemon CCG business model, where the only thing worth playing is what you pay for.
  
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