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Turbine is blaming Verizon again
Sep 2nd, 2013 at 2:40pm
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Let's see. 

August 1 or so, Verizon was the problem.  Turbine is out and so is Star Trek Online.

Then around one week later, Verizon was the problem again.    Turbine is out and so is Star Trek Online.

Turbine's hosting service said they would switch them back from Cogent network back to the Verizon network.  Somewhere I read Cordovan said that and Turbine had no say in the matter.

September 1, Verizon again.

I am not buying it.  The Star Trek Online players were not up in arms like they were in August.  Only Turbine's players were up in arms during this outage.

Either that, or STO told their hosting service that under no uncertain terms would they go back on the Verizon backbone.

I smell something funny here.

Every beginning of the month I guess we can expect the same thing.  Verizon and Cogent pissing in each other's drinks and blaming the other one for doing it first. 

The funny thing, when Turbine went on the Cogent backbone, there were no problems.  But on the Verizon backbone there seems to be problems.

If it happens again on October 1, all my stuff will be available.
  
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Re: Turbine is blaming Verizon again
Reply #1 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 3:18pm
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1st! I can haz you stuff on Khyber, right?  Smiley
  


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Re: Turbine is blaming Verizon again
Reply #2 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 5:17pm
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linky to where they blame Verizon ?

Because if they do that just scapegoating... It's an Internal Turbine problem this time.

  

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Re: Turbine is blaming Verizon again
Reply #3 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 6:25pm
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Right off the bat, no this was in no way related to Pando. I know some were trying to tie the two together but pando is unrelated to this issue and their announcement has had 0 impact on us in any way.

This issue is one we've seen before with a slight twist. This was again a routing issue with a very large internet backbone provider and how it routes traffic in and out of our data center provider (so you're talking 2 layers removed from our direct ability to 'fix it'). The issue also created a cascade issue when the routes were reset that didn't play well with some of the switches and routing hardware in the data center. This is why we've been working through the night with our vendors (provider, hardware, consultants, and others) to make sure each step of the connection from our service through various vendors services and products was checked, doubled checked, and confirmed to be either working correctly or needed to be addressed. We continue to do so, though we believe we are much closer to a resolution than at any point in the past several hours and we feel we are very close to restoring services.

As we've mentioned before, there are circumstances that can create a situation where the launcher and our forums are not accessible to us (myself and the rest of the community team). This is why we try very hard to convince you guys to follow us on twitter and like us on Facebook, because during times like this these are the only methods of commutation we have with you. Even if you can still post here. That is why this is the boobies you're seeing from me on the forums, but I've made a large number on our social channels throughout the night.

Hopefully this tones down all the crazy conspiracy theories we've seen recently (pando, hacking, shut downs, contract issues. It's a pretty impressive list!). We appreciate those who tried to share back the information we were posting elsewhere.

We appreciate you've all been frustrated, we also appreciate that this is a major Holiday weekend in the US. Many of us have spent the bulk of it working around the clock to address these issues, so believe me when I say we fully understand and appreciate you had plans. Most importantly we appreciate the passion you all clearly displayed for our game.


From the LotRO forums.

And no, it's not scapegoatting. While you can do everything in your power to keep your house in order, even install a circular driveway to have multiple points of entry to the street, it doesn't help worth shit if the bridge is washed out.



While I know you're French and in Telco, please forgive that I don't know jack about the EU Telco Companies for this analogy.  If you're a Sprint customer there's not much you can do directly if Sprint and Verizon aren't routing calls between each other.


Personally, I think Turbine fucks up to the degree that they shouldn't get any slack for when a Fuck-up-once-removed effects them either. I think they deserve all the shit in the world for releasing an unfinished enhancement pass, an unfinished loot revamp, buggy un-complete-able content, Jerry Parroting the LotRO guy saying that Pando has no impact on the game (Dumbass, you use it in your installer that you either haven't updated, or haven't updated the links to)... But scapegoatting?  Nah. This one really is beyond their control. It's just they do so poorly that they're not gunna get a break on it.
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Re: Turbine is blaming Verizon again
Reply #4 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 2:22am
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I don't have a problem believing that Verizon fucked up. It seems that anything internet related they suck at. Long story short: A cellular WiFi modem, promised to give 10-15 Mbps, that gave between 5 and 0.5 Mbps depending on weather or not it it was in the same room as you. With a 2 gig a month limit.
  

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Re: Turbine is blaming Verizon again
Reply #5 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 2:44am
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Could be... But then they ( Turbine ) have a real issue with Notwork Manglement.

Their router shouldn't have accepted the BGP ( or OSPF ) reconfigurations that built black holes in the routing. That's Backbone Routing 101.

Routing between different entities ( say Verizon and Turbine ) is either done through a specific BGP AS.
This AS is limited to transmitting the basic routing information ( aka default routes ) between both entities or it's done by static routing.
It's also done between the border routers and goes no deeper into the networks.
( there's cases where you will carry OSPF and other funky stuff through the BGP, but they are specific and are not related ti general Internet usage )

What I've seen from Turbine is that the router involved was at least two hops inside their network.
That's a big No No, as it means that routing is done in a detailed way ( instead of just routing 74.201.102/24 towards Turbine and let Turbine's router handle the details )

  

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Reply #6 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:00am
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I'm in Canada. Why did this affect me?
  

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Luxgolg wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:00am:
I'm in Canada. Why did this affect me?


Ugh Simple. Your canadian? You call ham bacon there so automatically default issues like that affect you.
  
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mudfud wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:45am:
Ugh Simple. Your canadian? You call ham bacon there so automatically default issues like that affect you.


On the contrary. The USA propaganda bullshit is usually filtered.
  

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Luxgolg wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:00am:
I'm in Canada. Why did this affect me?


Just because the 401 and the Bluewater Bridge are open, doesn't mean I75 isn't shitty.
  

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Reply #10 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:55am
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Starkjade wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:53am:
Just because the 401 and the Bluewater Bridge are open, doesn't mean I75 isn't shitty.


CANADA IS NOT JUST TORONTO...Fucking Canadians
  

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Luxgolg wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:51am:
On the contrary. The USA propaganda bullshit is usually filtered.


That's probably true, but I'm not from the USA. I'm canexican.
  
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mudfud wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:56am:
That's probably true, but I'm not from the USA. I'm canexican.


Want some Bacon?
  

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Luxgolg wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:55am:
CANADA IS NOT JUST TORONTO...Fucking Canadians



401 IS NOT JUST TORONTO... Fucking Non-tarians.

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Flav wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 2:44am:
Could be... But then they ( Turbine ) have a real issue with Notwork Manglement.

Their router shouldn't have accepted the BGP ( or OSPF ) reconfigurations that built black holes in the routing. That's Backbone Routing 101.

Routing between different entities ( say Verizon and Turbine ) is either done through a specific BGP AS.
This AS is limited to transmitting the basic routing information ( aka default routes ) between both entities or it's done by static routing.
It's also done between the border routers and goes no deeper into the networks.
( there's cases where you will carry OSPF and other funky stuff through the BGP, but they are specific and are not related ti general Internet usage )

What I've seen from Turbine is that the router involved was at least two hops inside their network.
That's a big No No, as it means that routing is done in a detailed way ( instead of just routing 74.201.102/24 towards Turbine and let Turbine's router handle the details )



Yah, but you're vindicated in the "that we've seen before" part - you called this WAAAAAY back as the reason we were seeing RST's and flaky network behavior months ago under Cogent.  Nice job.
  
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Reply #15 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 12:23pm
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Luxgolg wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:55am:
CANADA IS NOT JUST TORONTO...



YOU LIE!
  
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karatekid wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 12:23pm:
YOU LIE!


I thought that the Arrogant Worms did a good job summarizing Ontario in this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLMkV7VyPns
  

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karatekid wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 12:23pm:
YOU LIE!


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Ou est le Québec ? ils son(t Indépendants ou ils sont encore Canadien ?

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Reply #19 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 1:47pm
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Ils sont encore Canadien.

Just with accents.

There's still a fairly large separatist movement, but the PQ (Parti Quebecois, big time sovereign pushers) got their asses pretty firmly handed to them in the last federal election, so it's trailed off some.

Il y a beaucoup personnes bilingues en l'Ontario, aussi.  Vous allez plus au nord, et vous trouvez de plus en plus.

Eventually you'll find people that speak only French, but they might shoot you as meat before you get a chance to say, "Allo."  It's pretty lonely in Northern Ontario.
  

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