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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Oct 7^th, 2013 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	So, the scuttlebutt is that most Devs play on Sarlona. The scuttlebutt also says this method was created by a Dev as their own private duping method that, apparently, "escaped from the bottle." Funny how this dupe seems to have started on that server. If this is true, well...

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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #1 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 3:53pm	Print Post
	Most of the devs playing on Sarlona would definitely explain our reputation as the short bus server.

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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #2 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 3:56pm	Print Post
	That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard in the last hour.


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #3 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:05pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 3:56pm: That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard in the last hour. I haven't passed judgment on the theory. I'm just relating it because it sounded "interesting." Was waiting to hear (or see really) what others thought of it. Just out of curiosity cdr, why is it "dumb"?

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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9984 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #4 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:06pm	Print Post
	well if that's the case I hope somebody will loose a job.

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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #5 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:07pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:05pm: Just out of curiosity cdr, why is it "dumb"? The fact that they are smart enough to plan this. Also, the fact that this would have to have been a new injection with code. Changing 'bag code' would have to come with a reason, and a person attached to it. Without it, it could be refused from making the update. Even if it was 'snuck in', it would still show as changed code, and had to have been reviewed. Unless lots of pencil whipping happens and no one actually reads it.
	« Last Edit: Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:10pm by Aeolwind »

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #6 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:09pm	Print Post
	Aeolwind wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:07pm: The fact that they are smart enough to plan this. Hmmm...you just may have a point there. Speaking of the Devs, anyone have any suspicions as to the identity of the person who posted the dupe procedure on the Vault yesterday?

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #7 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:11pm	Print Post
	My Theory is that someone at turbine fixed this bug: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/422813-New-Bank-or-Bag-Bug

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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #8 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:14pm	Print Post
	lol integers.

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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #9 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:14pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:09pm: Hmmm...you just may have a point there. Not saying it isn't possible. There would have to be a TON of collusion going on to get this in. That or it was specifically let in top down, instead of bottom up. This is a sanity check gone wrong. Check that IP address, see if it ties to the right state.


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #10 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:16pm	Print Post
	Aeolwind wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:14pm: Not saying it isn't possible.� There would have to be a TON of collusion going on to get this in.� That or it was specifically let in top down, instead of bottom up.� This is a sanity check gone wrong. Check that IP address, see if it ties to the right state. That would be up to Ink or Strak to check the IP. They're the only two Mods now.

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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #11 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:17pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:11pm: My Theory is that someone at https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_G2G0syeMI4/Ui-FDrdYP0I/AAAAAAAAAao/YDN4fEfNE... fixed this bug: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/422813-New-Bank-or-Bag-Bug Wrong vowel in there, fuxed.


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TallGuy Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 50 Joined: Jun 12^th, 2010	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #12 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:18pm	Print Post
	If they fixed that bug, it should have been tested. If they had tested the fix, they would have found the duplication. There's no way to miss it.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #13 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:20pm	Print Post
	TallGuy wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:18pm: If they fixed that bug, it should have been tested. If they had tested the fix, they would have found the duplication. There's no way to miss it. Sure there is, Don't open a bag when testing. Someone fixed the bug, saw a stack move, and saw the expected numbers in both stacks. Fixed, added to code.

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Crunch ButtSteak Stormreaver Piker Offline Fer teh lolz Posts: 506 Joined: Jul 19^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #14 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:21pm	Print Post
	Darkrok wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 3:53pm: Most of the devs playing on Sarlona would definitely explain our reputation as the short bus server. Yeah, I agree. You guys are really dumb.

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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #15 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:28pm	Print Post
	Crunch ButtSteak wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:21pm: Yeah, I agree. You guys are really dumb. We're trying hard to live up to expectations here. We apologize for getting something right, we'll try harder in the future. ~Sarlona.


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GooFY Abbot Raider Offline Just one of those days... Posts: 771 Location: Washington State Joined: Dec 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #16 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:56pm	Print Post
	Not that I think there is any substance to this BS rumor, but... Aeolwind wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:07pm: ...and had to have been reviewed. Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Good one!


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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #17 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 5:06pm	Print Post
	GooFY wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 4:56pm: Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Good one! Someone, somewhere had to view this snippet of code other than the Joe that wrote it. Had too, I'm incapable of believing they don't have a '2nd pair' policy. I'm trying to convince myself here that WB has at least some policies worth some salt. I mean seriously, they own Bugs Bunny.


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HairyO Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 355 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #18 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 5:08pm	Print Post
	You guys reckon the Devs play this game?


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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #19 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 5:12pm	Print Post
	HairyO wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 5:08pm: You guys reckon the Devs play this game? Sadly. They do.


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HairyO Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 355 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #20 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 5:34pm	Print Post
	Maybe their definition of "playing the game" is different to ours


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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #21 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 5:39pm	Print Post
	HairyO wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 5:34pm: Maybe their definition of "playing the game" is different to ours Running around using GM commands.


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GooFY Abbot Raider Offline Just one of those days... Posts: 771 Location: Washington State Joined: Dec 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #22 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 5:45pm	Print Post
	Aeolwind wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 5:06pm: Someone, somewhere had to view this snippet of code other than the Joe that wrote it.� Had too, I'm incapable of believing they don't have a '2nd pair' policy. I'm trying to convince myself here that WB has at least some policies worth some salt.� I mean seriously, they own Bugs Bunny. Obviously MajMal would disagree, but when you consider how many bugs... 1) Have been around forever 2) Are claimed to have been "fixed" (in some cases several times), but aren't 3) Are fixed only to show up again later ...I have no faith at all that uses anything remotely approaching best, or even standard, software development practices. Honestly some of the stuff that shows up is just plain F'ing embarrasing. http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1381093475


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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #23 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 5:54pm	Print Post
	GooFY wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 5:45pm: Obviously MajMal would disagree, but when you consider how many bugs... 1) Have been around forever 2) Are claimed to have been "fixed" (in some cases several times), but aren't 3) Are fixed only to show up again later ...I have no faith at all that https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_G2G0syeMI4/Ui-FDrdYP0I/AAAAAAAAAao/YDN4fEfNE... uses anything remotely approaching best, or even standard, software development practices. Honestly some of the stuff that shows up is just plain F'ing embarrasing. http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1381093475 I just find it so hard to believe that they are so bad at code development and control. I'm more inclined to believe it is the fact that live, lama, ML, and Alpha are all different code bases. Meaning, this bug didn't work on Alpha.


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bob the builder Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 772 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2011	Re: Theory I heard regarding Sarlona and the Devs Reply #24 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 6:20pm	Print Post
	What they are bad at is having enough time and/or resources to QA such a massive project. When they are adding new content, their main focus is on testing that new content and features for that release. A full regression of stuff they "didn't touch" just isn't possible... contrary to popular believe automated testing is not something that is used at most companies to test "100% of the code"... automated testing takes just as much time to "code" as essentially to write the product... and based on what I know about most QA departments, they do not have the programmers that would be necessary to do this at Turbine. So, you test the big obvious things, you try to do some regression on things that you think will be affected, but invariably, something that you never would have thought would have been affected is affected. And the programmers don't have time to program "against BEST practices"... they have to get a product out the door to meet a target date set months ago that was unrealistic then. Very few game companies get the luxury to do thing "right", like Valve. WoW can afford to have hundreds of developers... Turbine can't. Not defending them... just explaining that it is not as black and white as some of you think it is. You can't just test "everything"* and code everything to a "best practice" unless you have tons and tons of resources... and we know Turbine doesn't have that dedicated to DDO.


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