bob the builder wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 6:20pm:


I essentiually said that I have no faith that they are doing the things that they should be.  If I'm understanding you correctly, you are saying that they can't afford to be doing the things that they should be.

So we're in agreement then?

YaBB!

bob the builder wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 6:20pm:

In this particular case, it IS very black and white.  The situation came about specifically due to a very particular bug fix that likely involved changing one or two variables in a single line.  They CLEARLY implemented the fix without testing it.

Developers don't play their own game like customers do.

bob the builder wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 6:20pm:


Which is fine. But the problem is they get told about bugs on Lama which end up making it to Live. Sometimes after acknowledging the bug.

Then there are the times they release content to Live without having tested it anywhere except their internal build.

In my opinion, this code was not put in on purpose.  It is just shitty coding and shitty testing by the coders.

We have all seen it time and time again from Turbine.  Turbine never tests the extremes. 

Here is what happened.

1.  Stacks existed LONG before bags did.  We had stacks of arrows but no quivers and collectable bags/gem bags did not even exist.

BAM.  Since bags did not exist, crap code for stacks of arrows and collectables that did not take into account this possiblity was written and not tested for something that did not exist.

2.  You had stacks of arrows and you could stack returning weapons that were the EXACT same.  You had stacks of gems and stacks of collectables sitting in your inventory, but nothing to stash them in.

Since bags did not exist, the crap code still exists and works, so it isn't tested.  You could freely move stacks from inventory to bank and back.  Worked great.

3.  Bags were created.  Still no quivers.  People complained about not having quivers and people complained about having to ALWAYS click on the bag in your inventory to gather stuff.  Most players had the bags on their short cut bars to click after every chest.

The crap code still exists.  But there have been stacking issues such as items disappearing, some code is added.  But not really tested on the extreme limitations, which is how Turbine does it.  Turbine does around three very general tests, and moves on.

4.  Quivers added and Auto Gather added.  Now, this is when better testing should have occurred, but it didn't.  Why?  Stacks had been working for years.  The gather feature of bags had been working for one year.

My bet, this feature has been around a long time, and just recently stumbled upon.




I know quite a few of us have written code and worked on teams that wrote code.  I can guarantee you that the only time I tested other people's code was when they asked me.  Which was rarely due to people having fragile egos.

Or their programs were assigned to me to be fixed.  Whenever I was given someone else's program(s), I rewrote most of them.

Munkenmo wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 8:22am:

This as you've already pointed out - http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1381175316/7#7

AtomicMew wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:


But they would NEVER do such a thing.

i like pie

can i put pie in meh bag? or will it soften and melt and like get all messy and mix around with the other stuffs in meh bag?

Arkat wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:


And as to the OP, this is stupid.  You can start by asking yourself why it would matter in the slightest which server the privately duping dev was using.

I have a friend who is a behind-scenes-dev and as of a year ago his buddies were playing on another server - don't remember which one but it definitely wasn't on Sarlona.

Arkat wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:


LOL - I'm reposting that in P&R during our next argument.

karatekid wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:


You're an idiot.

Are you suggesting that a dev who wanted a personal item-dup feature was flooding the AH and ASAH?  Or do you think it "got out of the bottle" because someone was standing over his shoulder watching him do it, or he bragged about it in server?  No, someone tried to test out the bugfix, most likely.  Or they did it by accident, the same way the people who found the bank-deletion-bug did in the first place.

Seriously, if a dev DID do this intentionally, what server he played on would have no impact on what server the first massive exploiters played on.  That "tidbit" is therefore just a juicy tidbit to get your tinfoil hat moving in the right direction.  And since it's completely unverifiable, it's even more obviously red-herring bullshit to get the conspiracy theorists one more "coincidence" to hang onto.