I lurk all the time.

OnePercenter wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 7:26pm:



I've heard multiple non-vaulties say, "the 'sploit is right on the vault"

I think that may have something to do with it..

Meat-Head wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 8:26pm:


I need to get my spam count up so I can sit at the big kids table.

they should give an award for any stupid reason and give some of us acces  to it, i can dance 

Flav wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 2:41am:


More, blind people of the Vault, lol..

Btw, even though there was no fix, since turbine is actively looking into suspicious activity, I would'nt advise it atm.

Flav wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 4:11am:



Can they watch guild ships? Even if they can, are they?

karatekid wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 10:23am:


fify

Flav wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 10:31am:


true statement

Meat, what about BANKed levels? Can they watch that?

DOOM!

Depends on the logs activated...

In something as complex as a MMO they have to have debug hookups like there is on a router, with logs that can be activated by command/configuration parameter.

After that it's knowing how verbose the logs are, and if they are complete or not.

If I was them the first thing I do was to make a few SQL queries in the database to look at who put all those items on the AH.
That would give a first list of suspects. They are the top suspects, there's probably one or two poor sods that were putting legit items in it, but they are probably rare.

Then I would make another query to hunt for bags filled with stacks of 1000/2500 orbs and 1000/2500 scales. ( depends on the bag size ).
That's the second list of suspects. They are the secondary ones, by checking both lists you will find
sure cases of dupers ( those that put stuff on the AH and have stacks of 1000s of scales )

The third list is going to be difficult to get and would require as Chai put it some datamining.
That's the list of those who duped, but didn't fill stacks, didn't fill bags and didn't put anything on AH/ASAH.
That's the list of those that duped the commodities they needed to get the items they wanted without having to rely on retarted drop rates.
( honestly if I had had 3 Yellow Dopants I would definitely have duped it to 50ish, so that I could deconstruct all the greensteel shit I have to deconstruct, sadly I didn't have any Yellow Dopant and I woved not to buy any.  )

I am not sure why they shouldn't be able to watch the TR bank. You don't want to let a GM login and go through all this by hand ingame anyways and as soon as there is someone going through this stuff with the database the TR bank shouldn't be hidden.

I know that GMs usually can't help with TR bank problems, but I really hope they are letting developers deal with that mess and they should be able to see everything when working with the database.
They should have scripts running at the database to gather suspicious accounts anyways and it would be very strange if the TR bank could hide from such scripts/queries.

And that's my main problem with this exploit. Instead of closing the AH right away and shutting down the servers for 1-2 days they let the exploit spread more and more and now they are wasting time of the developers to check accounts instead of developing new stuff or fixing bugs.

Yeah one could also blame the people who used the exploit and cause this trouble for the developers/GMs, but as soon as you see that an exploit is going to spread in forums and already some people are doing very crazy stuff you don't want to let the game running any further with this exploit.

And I really hope that after they are finished banning accounts that there is going to be an investigation who fucked up at Turbine and how to prevent that something like this is happening again.
You can't prevent that such bugs are getting on the live client but you should react faster when you see such an exploit is getting public and starts spreading.

Even closing the banks would have been an option if you don't want to shut down the servers. Yeah many players are going crazy if they have important stuff in the bank but most really important stuff to play your toons is not in the bank anyways.
But maybe it's just me and I have some very rare style of organizing my bank and inventory.
I also have some important stuff in the bank but I could easily survive some days in ddo without access to my character bank.
The only real problem would be toons undergoing a TR without access to their equipment every few levels. But in worst case they could just abandon elite streak and go with hard streak, then they wouldn't need most of the equipment in the bank anyways, unless they were level 1-4 when closing the bank. But they would have the option to just play another toon.