Kimberlite wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 11:40am:


Exactly! If this is really the case, it means next Xpl0it what you should do is use it before it is officially aknowledged. They are really going o punish the wrong people here. Why would they even invest resources into 'investigation and punishment' at this state? They should had just put this issue on top priority the minute they found out about it and applied a hotfix the next day.

pnellesen wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

I take it you post your experience on dailywtf?   

I wonder if they are going to permaban a ton of people, or delete their whole inventory...

Legato wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

Not the second. If you delete even one legitimately earned item, those players are just as gone as if you permabanned them, along with their friends. It would be like Maban all over again.

Touch anything other than duped items and those players will carry a vocal and open grudge against Turbine until the heat death of the universe. They'll only spread their half of the story, that Turbine deleted loot they earned, but that half is all that matters.

karatekid wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:


Agreed.  And how to tell the difference between:

1)  A player who as 1000 FRDS in inventory and purchased 500 TP from store to buy them.
2)  A player who duped up 1000 FRDS and  has them in inventory
3)  A player who purchased 1000 FRDS for plat on the AH
4)  A player who purchased 1000 FRDS in a private trade window transaction.  For a TP code, other in game items, plat, or whatever.
5)  A player who duped up 1000 FRDS on a throwaway account and then transferred them to their main account via Shard AH, AH, or private window trade.
6)  A player who duped up 1000 FRDS and sold them on the shard AH and now has 500 TP in his Shard Account.

2, 5, and 6 deserve a ban.  What do you do with 1, 3, and 4?  Take away their FRDS and leave them hanging?

A roll back is the only way to undo the mess.   But any store purchases in the interim would have to be rolled forward.  Let's say they roll back to 9/20.  On 9/24, I bought 5000 TP and then spent it on an Otto's box.  Which I never used.  They roll back.  I've got no TP.  I've got no box.  But they have my money.  If they roll back, they will have to figure out a way to roll forward all the TP purchases that were done in the interim.  Same with TP Codes redeemed.  A code is usually a one time use.  If I used a 2500 TP code on my account and spent the TP on mana pots or XP pots, but they roll back, so I lost the TP and have no pots.  And the code is already "used" so it is invalid. 

And what if Player X has a draconic soul gem on 9/20.  On 9/23, player X trades the gem to Player Y who buys a 2500 TP code and gives the code to player X for the gem.  Player X then redeems code and spends the TP.  You roll back to 9/20.  Player X now has the Soul Gem again.  And has the record of a code redemption on his account.  There is no way to link the purchase on the store to Player Y's account.  So even if you give X the 2500 TP he lost (or a code to redeem), X gets the code and the Gem? 

Rollbacks are all kinds of fucked up when you consider the possibilities with TP purchases and TP codes.



 

Asheras wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

You should quit projecting your own emotions onto others. It makes you look silly.

iliveyourdream13 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 11:55am:


DEADLOCK, they forgot the fucking deadlock 

Meursault wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 12:49pm:


Used it on the Official forum to point out that Rollback is probably not gonna happen.
If Cryptic with a brand new database, that is not yet filled with trash can't rollback more than a few hours how Turbine ( with their track record ) is going to be able to do one ( without failing it ) for 2/3 days.

pnellesen wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:


Hi Welcome

Been, there done that, still got the nightmares of having to rebuild a database from an obsolete backup after a server crash.
( FC-AL controller went wonky and wrote fucking trash on the hard disks... Customer had no relevant backup, we restarted from a 1 year and a half old backup we made on the sly : took us 3 days non stop in 8 hours shifts to recover the server to a point where we could actually start to consider trying to recover the data from the telecom switches, then it took us 2 month to recover and reenter all the missing data... and we still missed some... Trust me I'm quite glad I work in telecom and only have to deal with phone numbers, having to do the thing with another kind of data would have been... a Challenge ).

Edit : but not it's a thing of the past, I'm not dealing with database anymore... I'm dealing with The Internet ( as in dealing with weird systems called, P-Routers, CPE, PE, and weird protocols like MPLS, BGP, IS-IS, LDP, ... )

Asheras wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

Go find my ongoing blather about Turbine being evil, because I don't remember any. I'll make it easy for you: here's a link to my last 5 posts. If you have an issue with my sig, why don't you take it up with the person who wrote it. I picked it because it amuses me.

Asheras wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

Did you get lost? This is the vault, not the DDO forums. This isn't really a safe place for the thin skinned, or literalists. Was that an audition to be Grace's replacement or something?

(edited - link was to 25 posts, but only shows up as 5)

Incoming HotFux :

(World Broadcast): World broadcast: 'The server is coming down for a hotfix in 50 minutes. Please find a safe place to log out! Thanks for your patience during the downtime! '

^40 mins left on the crafting buff. Use or lose guys!

Kimberlite wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 1:45pm:


/yawn. 

I like it when people reference "this is the Vault" as their justification for saying stupid shit.  Just because it's the Vault doesn't mean that you can post garbage and idiocy.  There is still a preference for well thought out posts and posters with an ounce or more of common sense.  You are not one of them. 

Darkrok wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:



if something looks too good to be true, then it IS too good to be true.