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Re: Heh, took them long enough
Reply #50 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 3:48pm
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higgildypiggildy wrote on Oct 8th, 2013 at 3:33pm:
if something looks too good to be true, then it IS too good to be true.


Not true!

I have many times scoured the AH and taken advantage of people forgetting a zero or two on specific ingredients or items.
  

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WILMAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
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Reply #53 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 3:49pm
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higgildypiggildy wrote on Oct 8th, 2013 at 3:33pm:
if something looks too good to be true, then it IS too good to be true.


Oh, completely agree. That's why I've got no problem if they decide to reverse the purchases. But if they start trying to penalize players that simply bought from the AH...that would be way over the top.
  
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Reply #54 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 4:02pm
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Kimberlite wrote on Oct 8th, 2013 at 1:04pm:
I don't really believe in karma, but it is nice to see Turbine getting some. They deliberately created an inventory management hell for their players. I don't know any regular players who do not have at least one F2P storage account, storage mules, shared bank, etc. Inventory management and loot management took a large and ever-increasing percentage of my play time. Move essences to the craftbot, nice items to chars that could use it, etc.

This will all blow over within a month or two, and it doesn't affect gameplay. The next L28 adventure pack that forces a complete regearing of all characters (just like epic Gianthold) will fix the majority of any damage.

I do genuinely feel bad for those of you still suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, or battered wife syndrome in your relationship with this game. Don't worry - Turbine still loves your wallet. If you keep spending, maybe Turbine will stop hitting you one day.

Amen.  Preach on.
  
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Reply #55 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 7:55pm
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Flav wrote on Oct 8th, 2013 at 1:43pm:
DEADLOCK, they forgot the fucking deadlock  Grin


Used it on the Official forum to point out that Rollback is probably not gonna happen.
If Cryptic with a brand new database, that is not yet filled with trash can't rollback more than a few hours how Turbine ( with their track record ) is going to be able to do one ( without failing it ) for 2/3 days.


Hi Welcome

Been, there done that, still got the nightmares of having to rebuild a database from an obsolete backup after a server crash.
( FC-AL controller went wonky and wrote fucking trash on the hard disks... Customer had no relevant backup, we restarted from a 1 year and a half old backup we made on the sly : took us 3 days non stop in 8 hours shifts to recover the server to a point where we could actually start to consider trying to recover the data from the telecom switches, then it took us 2 month to recover and reenter all the missing data... and we still missed some... Trust me I'm quite glad I work in telecom and only have to deal with phone numbers, having to do the thing with another kind of data would have been... a Challenge ).

Edit : but not it's a thing of the past, I'm not dealing with database anymore... I'm dealing with The Internet ( as in dealing with weird systems called, P-Routers, CPE, PE, and weird protocols like MPLS, BGP, IS-IS, LDP, ... )

More than likely they don't know the difference between a repeatable read and an uncommitted read.

They may not even know how to read, they obviously can't code.   Cheesy
  
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When was the last time there was a rollback? Years and years ago I think. I do not think there has been one since the launch of FTP/DDO Store. I don't think it is really an option anymore for them.
  
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Reply #58 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 11:47pm
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Carpone wrote on Oct 8th, 2013 at 9:35pm:


Carpone, care to repost it here?

Official forums are blocked at my work
  

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Lurp wrote on Oct 8th, 2013 at 8:40pm:
When was the last time there was a rollback? Years and years ago I think. I do not think there has been one since the launch of FTP/DDO Store. I don't think it is really an option anymore for them.

There certainly have been rollbacks, just not intentional.
  
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Reply #60 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 1:39am
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late but hope it helps

"Hello

I never used the so called exploit and only found out about it after the patch today. You can check my logs and will see that this is the case.

Was curious to see if it had been fixed so I checked to see what happens and now the damned game is broken because when I move items from my bank to my inventory items are lost!

Yes lost!!!

I am using the bank, the bags and the inventory in a manner that is perfectly legal for them to be used and now items are being lost

You broke my game so please give me back my lost items - was just 2 silly items but if to fix an exploit you break a mechanism that is supposed to work you are skating on thin ice concerning my monthly sub

Thank you "
  
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Reply #61 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 2:23am
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Flav wrote on Oct 8th, 2013 at 1:43pm:
weird protocols like MPLS, BGP, IS-IS, LDP, ... )


MPLS and BGP aren't weird - the rest of that shit's all French to me Cheesy
  
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Reply #62 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 4:12am
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karatekid wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 2:23am:
MPLS and BGP aren't weird - the rest of that shit's all French to me Cheesy


Ok, I'm going to go really weird  Roll Eyes :

- SS7, INAP, FTUP ( a.k.a. SSUT ) FTUP+ ( a.k.a. SSUTR2 ), MF Colisée, MF Socotel.
- DSS1, G.923, ISDN, (ISDN) VN4
- X.25, BNSI, MTP ( no, not the one that go with the above, another one carried over X.25 )

While I can't really weird out a real DBA with SQL, I can weird out a lot of people with telecom protocols.

  

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Reply #63 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 8:33am
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Flav wrote on Oct 8th, 2013 at 1:43pm:
Been, there done that, still got the nightmares of having to rebuild a database from an obsolete backup after a server crash.
( FC-AL controller went wonky and wrote fucking trash on the hard disks... Customer had no relevant backup, we restarted from a 1 year and a half old backup we made on the sly : took us 3 days non stop in 8 hours shifts to recover the server to a point where we could actually start to consider trying to recover the data from the telecom switches, then it took us 2 month to recover and reenter all the missing data... and we still missed some... Trust me I'm quite glad I work in telecom and only have to deal with phone numbers, having to do the thing with another kind of data would have been... a Challenge ).

Friends in telcom software, which from the sounds of the data would make me quit software rather than subject myself to learning comm protocols.  I stay near the top of the software moutain, not in the weeds, by choice.   Wink

About a decade or so ago we had an IBM upgrade expose a software flaw that started a frenetic spawn of extraneous financial transactions in our systems.  It took us three days determine how to fix the issue without making it worse, and was my first deep dive into the arcane gray areas around isolation locking.  We didn't even have the option to rollback because of the mix of valid and invalid actions taken during the 3 days, and it took us 9 months to clean the corruption out of our financial system with the appropriate paper trail, which gets audited heavily.

In a true rollback scenario I had a boss use an old system backdoor incorrectly to clear some data, and we found out the fewer parameters supplied, er none, the backdoor just wiped an entire table clear of data.  A panicked phone ensued, we shutdown the system and the systems group went to grab the backup and found out the last one was like two weeks old.   Shocked  At least no one died or was injured, and that can be a real possibility in my line of work, but many "hot seat" meetings ensued.

ETA:  The second scenario gave rise to the only true statement you'll ever give a customer when they ask when the system will be fixed.  "We're closer than we've ever been!"  Grin
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Reply #64 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:03am
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Reply #65 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:30am
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AtomicMew wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 12:11am:
There certainly have been rollbacks, just not intentional.


When? I remember plenty of broken things, emergency shutdowns and "scheduled" hotfixes but I can't think of any time since 2009 that I ever lost XP or items like you would in a rollback. Maybe I just avoid playing on patch day. Still would have read about it on the forums though.
  
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Reply #66 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:41am
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I saw some people complaining about rollbacks when end rewards were infinite. Not much, just like 5 minutes, but still obvious rollbacks. Whether they were intentional or just the system being fucked up, I don't honestly know.
  
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Reply #67 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 1:28pm
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rest wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:41am:
I saw some people complaining about rollbacks when end rewards were infinite. Not much, just like 5 minutes, but still obvious rollbacks. Whether they were intentional or just the system being fucked up, I don't honestly know.


Yah, I can only remember one rollback, and it was like minutes over the couple years I played.
  
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