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Oct 9th, 2013 at 10:19am
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There is not a whole lot written about known punishment/sloution of the most recent bug dubbed duplicating. I myself only found out about it yesterday via splash screen, So I have not read every possible article yet. Because DDO forums wolnt allow this kind of question (everything juicy gets blocked) and this site seems to have a more open mind about discussions I have a few questions/things to ponder.

Is this bug across all servers?
Have there been confirmed reports of the perma ban/temp ban/account roll back?
Will the larger servers be hit the hardest by bans because they have room to cut the fat?
Which servers are being hit the hardest in their economy?

Does anyone else think that in a dying game permbanning  your players is really a wise move? Experienced players are leaving in droans to other better games as it stands. I doubt money will be spent making a new account. If you are going to start new, might as well start new on a diffrent game and bring your buds with you.

Do you think this bug will be one of the final nails to this games coffin?    Cry
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Reply #1 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 10:40am
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I don't think this will do anything to the game's long-term health. And I'd guess Sarlona will be hit by the most bans...god knows our ASAH was a mess before they took it down.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 10:44am
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Relentless wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 10:19am:
There is not a whole lot written about known punishment/sloution of the most recent bug dubbed duplicating. I myself only found out about it yesterday via splash screen, So I have not read every possible article yet. Because DDO forums wolnt allow this kind of question (everything juicy gets blocked) and this site seems to have a more open mind about discussions I have a few questions/things to ponder.

Is this bug across all servers?
Have there been confirmed reports of the perma ban/temp ban/account roll back?
Will the larger servers be hit the hardest by bans because they have room to cut the fat?
Which servers are being hit the hardest in their economy?

Does anyone else think that in a dying game permbanning  your players is really a wise move? Experienced players are leaving in droans to other better games as it stands. I doubt money will be spent making a new account. If you are going to start new, might as well start new on a diffrent game and bring your buds with you.

Do you think this bug will be one of the final nails to this games coffin?    Cry


Yes to most of your questions.
No to last one.
  
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This is (likely) the e-mail you'll get if you're banned for this.

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Your Dungeons & Dragons Online account has been suspended as a result of a  confirmed Player Code of Conduct violation.

This suspension is for 14 days .

Specifically, a Game Master determined that you willfully and intentionally exploited a mechanic within the game world.

You can find more information regarding the associated policy at the following URL: http://www.turbine.com/en/content/dungeons-dragons-online-code-conduct-en
Our ultimate goal is to provide an appropriately safe, fun, and engaging experience for our entire player community. To that end, the Player Code of Conduct must be enforced.

If you have any information that you feel would alter the decision made in this action, please visit http://turbine.com/support, and follow the links to the In-Game Support help page to submit your appeal. Note that all account actions are taken only after a significant amount of research and verification is performed to ensure proper Code of Conduct enforcement. In addition, if you have received a temporary suspension, it will expire automatically - you do not need to contact us to have a temporary suspension removed at its conclusion.

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rest wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:04am:
This is (likely) the e-mail you'll get if you're banned for this.



14 days from today still gives you time to enjoy mabar, if you're into that (no L28 items)
Maybe that's why some on the ddo forums are confessing?
  
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It's actually 14 days from 2 days ago.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:19am
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Relentless wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 10:19am:
Do you think this bug will be one of the final nails to this games coffin?    Cry



Not at all.  people cloned shit that had little value in the first place.  This is also like the 4th or 5th duping incident I've seen and none of them ruined the game.

Feather of Sun has done more damage than any exploit ever will.
  
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rest wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:13am:
It's actually 14 days from 2 days ago.


No further "investigations" or actions?
The ban cloud has passed?
I pegged turbine at hotfix Monday +2 days of data review as the time period for issuing punishments.
  
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Bigjunk wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:19am:
Not at all.  people cloned shit that had little value in the first place.  This is also like the 4th or 5th duping incident I've seen and none of them ruined the game.



Little value? Yo sho? The point of dupping is not profiting from it imo. Its reducing the grinding you'd need to get most of that stuff.
  

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Reply #9 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:33am
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I don't think they are sending out a mass ban. Its more logical for it to be done in groups and or cases handled one account at a time. Knowing however with limited recources DDO staffing has, its most likely being done in groups. So I personally don't think its over just yet.

By the way thank you for the feed back. I wonder if they will bother to correct and or improve the economy of plat... most likely I think they will just focous on shard exchange or let everything ride itself out.
I personally like that the AH is so cheap. I knew saving all my plat would one day pay off. Time for a good spending spree.

Plat is the new copper. Lol. Grin
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Reply #10 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:36am
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FakeStrake wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:20am:
No further "investigations" or actions?
The ban cloud has passed?
I pegged turbine at hotfix Monday +2 days of data review as the time period for issuing punishments.

I don't know. They might still be looking through logs and such, but the first wave of bans was on Monday night when they GMs actually witnessed people using the exploit.

I wouldn't say you're out of the woods yet, but then again it IS Turbine so who knows. Maybe they think banning a dozen people is enough.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:43am
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Relentless wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 10:19am:
There is not a whole lot written about known punishment/sloution of the most recent bug dubbed duplicating. I myself only found out about it yesterday via splash screen, So I have not read every possible article yet. Because DDO forums wolnt allow this kind of question (everything juicy gets blocked) and this site seems to have a more open mind about discussions I have a few questions/things to ponder.

Is this bug across all servers?
Have there been confirmed reports of the perma ban/temp ban/account roll back?
Will the larger servers be hit the hardest by bans because they have room to cut the fat?
Which servers are being hit the hardest in their economy?

Does anyone else think that in a dying game permbanning  your players is really a wise move? Experienced players are leaving in droans to other better games as it stands. I doubt money will be spent making a new account. If you are going to start new, might as well start new on a diffrent game and bring your buds with you.

Do you think this bug will be one of the final nails to this games coffin?    Cry


Addressing all the points :
1) Yes, across all servers. Some were more obvious about it ( Sarlona and the stacks of 100 scales in ASAH ) others were less obvious ( Ghallanda with just more Orbs than usual ).
But by Saturday evening it was widespread across all the servers and almost all the guilds.

2) 3 Days and 14 Days Vacation so far from all the information that have been gathered here and there.

3) They can't hit too hard any server unless they want to cripple the game. And I'm quite sure that almost everybody tried the exploit once it was known in the open, so that would mean banning almost everybody. Maban comes to the mind for that, and the damage an auto-ban script gone wonky did to the game.

4) there's an economy ?
Sarlona is probably the one hit the hardest, with all those stacks of scales. But nothing say that there's not the same thing stored somewhere on the other servers... they just didn't show up on the AH/ASAH.

5) No, DDO is not really dying ( or it's been dying since 2006 ) It's a niche game where people come and go. Sure it's starting to show it's age, but overall it still above many other games when it comes to active combat and quests. ( even if the new quests from U19 really reminds me of NWO and other quests with a Boss and waves to trash you have to deal while beating up the boss, it's too obvious compared to older quests )

Older players are moving on for various reasons ( I have a friend that moved back to Civ Simply because he has a child and it's easier to drop Civ for an hour to play with his son than DDO, he will come back eventually )

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Bigjunk wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:19am:
Feather of Sun has done more damage than any exploit ever will.


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Reply #12 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 12:06pm
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Bigjunk wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:19am:
Not at all.  people cloned shit that had little value in the first place.  This is also like the 4th or 5th duping incident I've seen and none of them ruined the game.

Feather of Sun has done more damage than any exploit ever will.


Agreed.  Lots of folks were duping the stuff to add force critical, resists, AC, etc boosts on armor and weapons.  Or duping up Titan and hezrou and BB cookies and such.  Or shroud mats.  Or essences to speed level crafting.  Sure all that stuff has some value, but not enough that you are gonna get mega rich on it or that it would destroy the economy. 

There are a few "big ticket" items that come in bags that could actually affect the economy, but, honestly, all people really did was devalue those items.  FRDS are probably worth less than regular blues, blacks, and whites.  (Not the flawless versions).  And augments are probably about worthless too.  Even the formerly ultra rare draconic soul gem and true globe of blood.  I feel bad for people who had done trades for those two items just before this.  I traded some poor guy a true globe (plus something else, cant recall what) for an otto's box about 4 weeks ago.  Sorry about his luck.  My Otto's still has value.  His globe?  not so much.  I'd not spend 50kpp on a true globe today. 

It's not all Feather, but gear changes have hurt the game more than this.  The too much too soon level cap raises have hurt the game more than this. 

The fixes the game needs are still the same:  more raids.  more content.  consistency with loot.  They focus on that, things will be fine.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 12:18pm
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What Flav said.

All mmos die... not sure if this one is.
  

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Reply #14 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 12:37pm
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Since level cap 30 is coming "soon" most of the duped stuff would have greatly decreased in value anyways.

And the dragon scales... apart from the green ones they were much overpriced most of the time anyways. Red scales for example... who needs red scales nowadays anyways? Most people get their 20 red scales in VoN before they got their red dragon shard.
And most people prefer the new GH epic dragon scale armors anyways, and if you are after the set bonus you get more than enough scales of each kind before you find the dragon helm you really want. (Unless you are some lucky b****** Tongue )

Think the biggest hit took the augments, but I think for level cap of 30 better versions of the most desired augments were coming anyways decreasing the existing ones to leveling gear.
With levelcap 30 you need +40 vitality augments since random items are going to have more than +40 vitality and probably random items are starting to have 60 elemetal resistance so at least a +40 to all resistences augment would be needed anyways. The current augment is more a convenience item anyways.
With all the shiradi casters nowadays there should be enough SP to rebuff resistances if needed and some people even have +30 res pots. Apart from that ship buffs are covering that anyways and with a nice healer you are not going to die in most quests anyways.

So I really doubt that this exploit has a lasting effect on the ingame economy.
  
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CanIHazYourStuff wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:27am:
Its reducing the grinding you'd need to get most of that stuff.


Exactly. Go try to run enough Shrouds nowadays to get 5 or so LDSs, or duplicate the 2 you have in your bag?

No-brainer, really.
  
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Relentless wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 10:19am:
Do you think this bug will be one of the final nails to this games coffin?    Cry



This ONE incident, no - if it happens a couple more times, yes.
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FakeStrake wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 11:09am:
14 days from today still gives you time to enjoy mabar, if you're into that (no L28 items)
Maybe that's why some on the ddo forums are confessing?


I see you are using the non standard definition of "enjoy", as in, "I enjoy having my fingernails pulled off, on by one, slowly", or "I really enjoyed my last root canal without any novacaine, I can hardly wait to do that again"

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all this does is increase equality across players. Players who play for a long time with good gear and have exploited earlier in the games history are far above wealthier than everyone else.

When these exploits happen it's like a great reckoning where everyone catches up to each other and prices normalize.

This is extremely good for the game economy and allows us to focus more on the skill of players and builds and less on quality of loot.

I wouldn't have it any other way and I think this exploit was an absolutely shot of lifeblood for this game. Anyone who argues different will have to be very convincing otherwise. You're probably just sour grapes you didn't participate or that you can't hold your giant ePeen over people as much anymore since they have some shit too.

Also in a few months a new update will make of of this duped stuff mid-tier garbage anyway. It's why I don't grind for gear, I can just wait every other update to get gear and reduce my grind in half. It's like how I upgrade iPhone's every other iteration.
  
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Tspoon wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 1:21pm:
I see you are using the non standard definition of "enjoy", as in, "I enjoy having my fingernails pulled off, on by one, slowly", or "I really enjoyed my last root canal without any novacaine, I can hardly wait to do that again"

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the first wave of bans was on Monday night when they GMs actually witnessed people using the exploit.

Witnessed what exactly?  Standing around a banker?  Reading chat where people were dumbasses and linked 1000 dragonscales?
  
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Carpone wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 2:43pm:
Witnessed what exactly?  Standing around a banker?  Reading chat where people were dumbasses and linked 1000 dragonscales?


Viewing the actions of a player is possible.  It appears in a 'textual' version of your actions (Keyboard/Mouse inputs).
  
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Aeolwind wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 2:50pm:
Viewing the actions of a player is possible.  It appears in a 'textual' version of your actions (Keyboard/Mouse inputs).



I could be mistaken, but I blieve he was being facetious... as in "they really didn't need to do much"
  
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karatekid wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 3:17pm:
I could be mistaken, but I blieve he was being facetious... as in "they really didn't need to do much"


Duh, been head down in stuff most of the day; problem solving diarrhea of the keyboard.
  
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I had a guy in a pug last night open talking about "so and so" in his guild duping thousands of items, globes, tokens, etc.  No pause at all.  May be they will still suspend some of the really stupid...
  

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