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Reply #225 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 3:17pm
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rest wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 2:12pm:
If they start taking stuff out of the guild chest, that's a whole other shit storm waiting to happen.


LOL They might start wondering how all that bta and btc stuff got in there.
  
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Reply #226 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 3:20pm
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Eh I don't see why people are up in arms or surprised about this. When I was admin of a MUD, sufficiently high-level immortals could load up any character (player) that they wanted. The character would be loaded in but not be attached to a login connection, so basically a "dummy" or monster without any AI script. You could manipulate the character though (have it perform commands). This could occur even if the player could not log in (such as if banned), and it didn't need the player's password.

One of the reasons to do it this way, as opposed to directly doing a database query, is that it uses the same game loading function as when the player logs in and the same save function as when the player logs out, allowing the immortal to inspect/change the character's state in the middle (such as get rid of items etc.), and have the changes be "safe"...or as safe as regular logging in and out can be, anyway. This way you don't need someone that's familiar with the database to manipulate it, and you don't need to code in a separate database query and keep it up to date or directly make database changes which can potentially corrupt the character file if not done correctly. Instead, the load and save functions are always up to date so you don't have to worry as much about an immortal corrupting the player files when they do this.

I find it laughable that people are claiming that Turbine is violating their own EULA. How exactly is Turbine doing that, when the EULA explicitly says that Turbine owns all rights, titles, and interest in the game, and the player is merely given a license for use subject to the EULA (and exploiting violates the EULA)? Also, the terms of service explicitly says "Turbine may revise, suspend, terminate or delete the Account at any time for any reason or no reason, with or without notice to you" which means that they do have the right to load your account and do as they please with it. Certainly a company wouldn't do that willy-nilly in order to retain customers (the same way a restaurant wouldn't eject customers willy-nilly even if they have a "right to refuse service" sign) but they have the right to do so.

What's more interesting to me is that Turbine would do this openly. The MUD had a number of invisible rooms where the characters could be loaded in to be taken care of and no mortals could see them or interact with them. Yet it seems like Turbine never bothered to code this type of stuff in, but the "extreme prejudice" is done out in the open. To me that speaks more about how antiquated the software is, or the lack of thought in enforcement mechanisms (code-wise), or both; the MUD was around in the 1990s (and is still around last I checked) and already had this type of functionality.
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Reply #227 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 3:28pm
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LordPiglet wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 3:11pm:
You do realize that EULA's aren't bullet proof. 


Depends which side of the glass you're on...
  

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Reply #228 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 3:35pm
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Vanshilar wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 3:20pm:
antiquated the software is,


I'm pretty sure Gemstone III and Diku make DDO look like Pong.  From the sounds, even EQ was shambled together better.  And I've seen "Duct Tape" comments in the code.
  
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Reply #229 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 3:35pm
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LordPiglet wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 3:11pm:
You do realize that EULA's aren't bullet proof. 


But La Roux is

  
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Reply #230 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 5:13pm
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Aeolwind wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 3:35pm:
I'm pretty sure Gemstone III and Diku make DDO look like Pong.  From the sounds, even EQ was shambled together better.  And I've seen "Duct Tape" comments in the code.

Simutronics makes Turbine look like development gods.  Those fuckers would take years to introduce new content, and don't get me started on the GM favoritism with big ticket items.  Fuck Gemstone III in the ass with no lube.

EverQuest was a fucking amazing game that suffered from The Vision (TM) by founder Brad McQuaid.  EverQuest Next looks promising.
  
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Reply #231 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 5:14pm
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Luxgolg wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 2:17pm:
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(section 1 f.     You may not exploit the Game, or any portion thereof, for any commercial purpose;)

I want a donut


The section is quite common and is in reference to exploiting a product for commercial branding, marketing, consumer exploitation as a product etc. (The difference between 'Exploting "The Game"' vs 'using an in-game exploit')
  
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Reply #232 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:12pm
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Carpone wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 5:13pm:
EverQuest was a fucking amazing game that suffered from The Vision (TM) by founder Brad McQuaid.  EverQuest Next looks promising


People don't realize, the game tanked with 'The Vision' gave way to players ranting.  The Vision was good, the execution, not so much.

Next is looking good.
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Reply #233 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:27pm
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Wyni wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 2:24pm:
What I care about is them being a shady, poorly run, poorly staffed.....


Can I have your stuff?

Oh wait, youre going to stay?
  
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Reply #234 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:33pm
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HairyO wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:27pm:
Can I have your stuff?

Oh wait, youre going to stay?


You could, except it's all BtC.
  
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Reply #235 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 11:09pm
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Now the perfect thing would be for someone previously given a runaround regarding the need for GMs to log into the account or permissions excuses, and the like, to ask if Toleros note about special tools for logging in will now be used to solve the previous problems.
  

            
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Reply #236 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 12:55am
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Aeolwind wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
People don't realize, the game tanked with 'The Vision' gave way to players ranting.  The Vision was good, the execution, not so much.

Next is looking good.


That sounds a lot like what happened to DDO; only in its case, it was a combination of player rants (too hard, too easy), management rants, and Feather responses in design.

I'm going back in my memory (I started around Update 8) trying to figure out the systems that went RIGHT, but were caught up in the firestorm of poor decisions and crap implementation...

There were actually good ideas (Epic, Cannith Crafting, Druids, Challenges, Guilds, more?) that Turbine skillfully mangled into implements of torture upon execution.
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Reply #237 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 1:27am
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rest wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 3:35pm:
But La Roux is


You know I'd never seen the video for that even though it's on my spotify playlist - thumbs up for the link Smiley
  

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Reply #238 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 1:53am
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La Roux is pretty good. I liked i'm not your toy a lot and in for the kill is a better song. She's not exactly easy on the eye though.
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Reply #239 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 2:28am
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Aeolwind wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 3:35pm:
Gemstone III



Sorry, I prefer the PnP version of Shadow World. *Grins*
Played ( as GM and player ) in it for years, and my name appears somewhere in the semi recent
Shadow World Player Guide.
  

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Reply #240 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 10:52am
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There isn't anything wrong with how she looks - it's that she seems to go out of her way to use makeup in a way that is discordant on the eye typically.

Here for example is a good pic where she wears 'normal-ish' makeup and as such she looks pretty decent.

I assume that her choices to almost always try and look weird are a conscious  choice.

  

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Reply #241 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 10:56am
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Ckorik wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 10:52am:
There isn't anything wrong with how she looks - it's that she seems to go out of her way to use makeup in a way that is discordant on the eye typically.

Here for example is a good pic where she wears 'normal-ish' makeup and as such she looks pretty decent.

I assume that her choices to almost always try and look weird are a conscious  choice.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/30521911/La+Roux++0491.png



This pic may have been modified...
  

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Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Reply #242 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 11:08am
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karatekid wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 12:55am:
That sounds a lot like what happened to DDO; only in its case, it was a combination of player rants (too hard, too easy), management rants, and Feather responses in design.

What happened in DDO and EQ aren't equivalent.  EQ went from stupid fucking things like looking at a spell book while you meditated (think rest shrine taking several minutes to regen your mana), to getting rid of The Vision because the mechanics were more about abusing players than providing entertainment.  If anything, DDO went from "this works" to "this is a steaming pile of shit" because of the developer revolving door with systems.

TL;DR: EQ had an effective line manager, DDO does not.
  
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Reply #243 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 1:19pm
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Ckorik wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 10:52am:
There isn't anything wrong with how she looks - it's that she seems to go out of her way to use makeup in a way that is discordant on the eye typically.

Here for example is a good pic where she wears 'normal-ish' makeup and as such she looks pretty decent.

I assume that her choices to almost always try and look weird are a conscious  choice.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/30521911/La+Roux++0491.png


I guess it's subjective because I found her attractive, too.  Then again, I found Cindi Lauper attractive when she got famous, as well.
  
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Reply #244 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 2:26pm
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rest wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 3:35pm:
But La Roux is



Jesus, that is fucking terrible.
  
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Reply #245 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 3:07pm
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hgm-chi wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 2:26pm:
Jesus, that is fucking terrible.



I didn't want to go that far.. But I did watch the entire video from the link (never heard of her before). I will not be willingly listening/watching her again.
  

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Reply #246 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 5:19pm
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Avalon was pretty good.
  

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Reply #247 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 5:36pm
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[quote author=27302621550 link=1381356843/229#229 date=1381952141]

But La Roux is

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I liked it better when Yaz did it.  And speaking of derivative...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/03/article-0-0011FEF300000258-586_224x423...
  
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Reply #248 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 6:44pm
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hgm-chi wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 2:26pm:
Jesus, that is fucking terrible.


Don't you have pretty awful taste in music Yog? Tongue
  
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Reply #249 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 7:32pm
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rest wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 6:44pm:
Don't you have pretty awful taste in music Yog? Tongue


My wife's parents think I do.  So, no.  No I don't.
  
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