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no. DQ Assaulter Offline Just no. Posts: 454 Joined: Oct 10^th, 2013	when will the investigation end? Oct 12^th, 2013 at 4:46pm	Print Post
	I'm not a computer person. Let's say, completely hypothetically, that I sat at the bank for 5 hours duplicating my brains out, but have not yet been banned. The hotfix, I believe, was on Monday. It's now Saturday, and I doubt there will be much action on Turbine's part over the weekend. Is my name already on someone's desk, or have I been overlooked? Also, how feasible would it be to hide out by TRing but not completing character set up to get back into the game world? Completely hypothetically.


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FakeStrake Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama, Derailment and Duping! Posts: 1584 Location: Inferno side Joined: Jul 5^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #1 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 5:02pm	Print Post
	no. wrote on Oct 12^th, 2013 at 4:46pm: I'm not a computer person.� Let's say, completely hypothetically, that I sat at the bank for 5 hours duplicating my brains out, but have not yet been banned. The hotfix, I believe, was on Monday. It's now Saturday, and I doubt there will be much action on Turbine's part over the weekend. Is my name already on someone's desk, or have I been overlooked? Also, how feasible would it be to hide out by TRing but not completing character set up to get back into the game world? Completely hypothetically.� List out your toon names and server, and we can give you a better answer for your specific situation.


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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #2 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 5:24pm	Print Post
	Or better yet, send an e-mail to Turbine customer service and ask them.


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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #3 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 5:32pm	Print Post
	*SOON�*


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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4377 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #4 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 6:32pm	Print Post
	umm....I think you have come to the wrong place for useful advice.� To answer your question: Knowing how few resources Turbine have and not knowing how many dupers there were, the investigations could take many weeks or longer depending how hurt their feelings are right now.� Turbine definitely won't tell you. <chuckle> You cannot hide.� It's not your character they will look at, but your account and any logs they may or may not have. Besides Tolero is coming for you with "extreme prejudice", so we know you cannot hide from that!� And to quote a wonderful movie, "You've been a very naughty boy Brian!"� According to the forums, the bans are still rolling out. So put the champagne on ice, play the game normally and cross your fingers.�
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Ckorik Dragon Raider Offline N00b Posts: 223 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2012	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #5 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 8:59pm	Print Post
	The AS marketplace is back - I have to assume the bans are pretty much done with. At least I have to assume they don't want to risk having it flooded with stuff again causing another weekend of no sleep.


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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #6 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 9:05pm	Print Post
	20-stacks of green scales were at 250k bids this morning on Khyber.. Plenty of scales up for shard auction too.. But who knows which, if any, are duped.

	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #7 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 9:11pm	Print Post
	The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Quak Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 298 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2013	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #8 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 3:05am	Print Post
	Meat-Head wrote on Oct 12^th, 2013 at 9:05pm: 20-stacks of green scales were at 250k bids this morning on Khyber.. Plenty of scales up for shard auction too.. But who knows which, if any, are duped. sarlona is completely "clean" of any mat stacks on the ah..

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TallGuy Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 50 Joined: Jun 12^th, 2010	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #9 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 3:29am	Print Post
	I would expect so. (most) of the dupers are probably banned for two weeks, their auctions elapsed and won't be put back up. The question is, will the stacks return in two weeks or not.


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Ire Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 29 Joined: Sep 13^th, 2013	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #10 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 3:57am	Print Post
	TallGuy wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 3:29am: I would expect so. (most) of the dupers are probably banned for two weeks, their auctions elapsed and won't be put back up. The question is, will the stacks return in two weeks or not. "most" dupers are not banned, from my perspective they haven't even gotten one in ten so far. The people not banned are not going to put things on the AH for fear of drawing attention to themselves after the bans started.


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SwashbucklerHater Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 337 Joined: Sep 2^nd, 2013	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #11 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 5:30am	Print Post
	Maybe they just finished banning everyone who posted duped stuff on the AH and with the bannings rolling out someone who puts duped stacks into the ASAH now would be really stupid anyways. But yeah... I am very sure some are stupid enough to do so. (So maybe Turbine has this in mind too) So yeah I would say at the current state it should be save that the ASAH opened again. But I would be carefull with buying any amounts of items which could be duped until Turbine says they finished investigations.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #12 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 5:40am	Print Post
	They really should not come out and say they are done with looking into things. Makes them look even more dumb, If that's even possible. Correct thing for them to say is they will be leaving it open and on an per account basis. To attempt to look decent at very least.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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higgildypiggildy Stormreaver Piker Offline I just mock the world Posts: 660 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2011	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #13 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 6:19am	Print Post
	Bannings will continue IMO. Make a copy of the relevant tables. Say when you have access to the DB in a nice static state, such as when you are performing maintenance. This gives you a nice baseline to investigate from. They do an SQL query to see who put Ingredients/Augments up on ASAH order by Item Name and Stack Size, grouped by Account. Then they investigate those by hand looking at Dragon Scales, Relics, Shroud Ingredients, Augment Removers etc. Do the same for peoples inventory+bank+shared bank looking for the same list as above but include BTA and BTC things such as commendations and challenge rewards. Then investigate by hand. Obvious outliers of these things can be instantly banned. If you have more than 1000 Heroic Commendations. If you have posted more than 10 soul gems or true blood augments or more than 100 scales. There will be (a few?) people charged with investigating the lists produced and taking the decisions (GM's). Those people will be investigating for a few weeks working their way down the lists produced. At some point they will stop the investigation, and people who are below that cut off will get away with it because it's not worth them continuing the investigation any further. The lists will still exist after the top 1000 people on it are dealt with (a random number pulled out of my hat), and the next 25,000 (again a random number) will have a "suspicious activity" marker put on their account. When something happens in the future involving that account the GM's should investigate the suspicious activity in detail to see if they look like they were dupers.

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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9971 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #14 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 7:36am	Print Post
	Another point is that they are not going to tell when the investigation ends. That way they can ( try to ) keep us in line for a few month. To add to Winnie The Poo post, as I already said : ( expanded ) They are going down the list, with a human being checking everything : - First list : those that posted stacks of 100 Scales ( any flavor ) in the AH/ASAH. - Second list : those that have stacks of 100+ Commendations, 1000+ Scales in the bank/inventory/bag/TR Vault� and that are not in First list. - Third list : those that appeared on the logs once they activated them [ probably at announcement time ] and that are not in the above two list. - Fourth List : those that have large stacks of anything. ( I'm in that list, I have heaps of Cannith Ingredients both in bag and in the shared bank, they all come from deconstructing loot, but the sheer size of the stacks makes me suspect, as if you all all the bag contents that's more than 10K of each lesser essence [ And I've already given stacks of 10K body essences to guildies for a few month because they were fucking up my bank space], I don't know why I still bother with them as Cannith is now more or less useless. ) The last list is those that does not fit in the above lists and they are not going to be investigated by a GM. Edit : now they also have to take into account that mass bans of all the dupers would hurt the game more than leaving the small fry alone. [ those that duped just enough scales to get an armor, enough challenge rewards to get an item, or a few Greensteel ingredients to have enough to get items done. ]
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Why they might announce an end Reply #15 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:51am	Print Post
	While I think the reasons for leaving the investigations open ended will outweigh it, there is a reason to announce an end to investigations - the "in limbo" effect. There are probably a lot of small time dupers who are reluctant to do much with the game until they learn what is going to happen to them. Even non-dupers might be afraid to post stacks of anything on the ASAH (a moneymaker for Turbine) if they think it will trigger a false positive in an ongoing investigation. Many players will feel a general sense of unease knowing there is a "secret" investigation going on, which history has proved may punish completely innocent people. Turbine might want to get closure and put this mess behind them, work on the future rather than belabor the past. But then again, they are Turbine, and as Carpone observed, that's not really their passion�

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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #16 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:16am	Print Post
	higgildypiggildy wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 6:19am: Then investigate by hand. [...] The lists will still exist after the top 1000 people on it are dealt with (a random number pulled out of my hat), and the next 25,000 (again a random number) will have a "suspicious activity" marker put on their account.� When something happens in the future involving that account the GM's should investigate the suspicious activity in detail to see if they look like they were dupers.� � This is unrealistic; it doesn't scale.� The only way Turbine can get scale on action like this is using GMs.� We all know that GMs barely know the basics about the game, and can't do a damned thing off script.� The amount of time to train GMs to do incident response is too massive, and checking up on GMs so they aren't abusing their new found vigilante justice is too much of a nightmare. Quote: Obvious outliers of these things can be instantly banned.� If you have more than 1000 Heroic Commendations.� If you have posted more than 10 soul gems or true blood augments or more than 100 scales. 100 white/blue/black scales is not an indicator of duping.


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higgildypiggildy Stormreaver Piker Offline I just mock the world Posts: 660 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2011	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #17 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:09am	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:16am: 100 white/blue/black scales is not an indicator of duping. Posted in AH over that period, not owned. But yeah, lets set the bar at 200 scales instead, that would be pretty much guaranteed.

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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4377 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #18 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	Anyone know how Turbine source their GM's? Is it outsourced to an Indian IT firm? Because it sure seems like it at the rate they close tickets and how few powers most of them have. Some GM's seem pretty good, but most are definitely script jockeys. With the latter, I cannot see them being very effective investigators and share the concerns of the posters above in that innocents will get hit.

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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9971 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #19 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 1:40pm	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 1:32pm: Anyone know how Turbine source their GM's? Is it outsourced to an Indian IT firm? Probably not. My Indians sit on cases for two weeks before looking at them and trying to close them for silly reasons.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #20 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 3:30pm	Print Post
	higgildypiggildy wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 11:09am: Posted in AH over that period, not owned.� But yeah, lets set the bar at 200 scales instead, that would be pretty much guaranteed. Tor scales? Nah, too easy to get.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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higgildypiggildy Stormreaver Piker Offline I just mock the world Posts: 660 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2011	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #21 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 3:34pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 3:30pm: Tor scales? Nah, too easy to get. how many have you got? By Type. Do you really have a stack of 200 Flawless Black Scales? How many people doyou think have a stack of 200 Red Scales?

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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #22 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 4:06pm	Print Post
	higgildypiggildy wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 3:34pm: how many have you got?� By Type.� Do you really have a stack of 200 Flawless Black Scales?� How many people doyou think have a stack of 200 Red Scales?� I had a stack of 270 black scales from tons of fruitless EE runs for bloods. Sold most of them off through the AH though. Never quite broke 100 on reds.


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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #23 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 5:20pm	Print Post
	SwashbucklerHater wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 5:30am: Maybe they just finished banning everyone who posted duped stuff on the AH and with the bannings rolling out someone who puts duped stacks into the ASAH now would be really stupid anyways. Nah, never posted any duped stuffs on AH or ASAH, but had fat stacks of stuff and still got the 14 day. Mailed a bunch to friends.� Hoping they don't get nailed just because I shared the wealth.

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: when will the investigation end? Reply #24 - Oct 13^th, 2013 at 5:51pm	Print Post
	Yobai wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 5:20pm: Nah, never posted any duped stuffs on AH or ASAH, but had fat stacks of stuff and still got the 14 day. Mailed a bunch to friends.� Hoping they don't get nailed just because I shared the wealth. You are like the Santa of bannings. Or Oprah.


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