LeslieWest_GG wrote on Nov 16
th, 2013 at 8:33pm:
Yeah, I have to agree with you there. Its not the day, its the media. It gets worse all the time. There is a lot of community building/schools/utilities/info-structure things that are great stories. But you dont often see that played on TV. Then we make mistakes. Naturally that doesnt get much airplay either. There is a lot of our military folk that do amazing things for the people, and that story should get told to, dont you think?
I guess we agree though about this. Very few news organizations, from ANY nation, that just give you the fucking news without slanting something.
This is just a wall of bullshit. Not even going to honor it with a reply.
(I will say you are 100% right about Russia. They took enormous losses, and it was Hitlers error to invade Russia. By the time D Day happened - Russia had softened up the Germans on many fronts. I would argue that American support to the Soviet Union via lend-lease would be as much a factor in the Red Army's victory as Stalin's ruthlessness. D-Day was instrumental in many ways, but to explain it in detail, this is obviously not the place)
I think it does in many ways. It does for me. War should be an absolute last recourse. However, unfortunately, sometimes, you have to fight for your freedoms, and those of your friends. That does not come free, but I believe it necessary on occasion. To me, to veterans day means something very different than your definition, but I dont really consider your opinion incorrect, just different.
Well, anyone who has come to our ceremonies know its not political or pro war. We just dont get into that. Again, your perception of the entire day is different.
I will say that in past years we have made our gatherings much more international in flavor. We welcome everyone, and really just focus on the families as much as anything else. I realize full well these events arent for everyone. But we have every right to do our thing, and do our thing we will.
Yeah also the chinese suffered horrible loses vs the japanese and kept the bulk of the imperial japanese army occupied throughout the war.
I guess its more important to concentrate on the veterans and the servicemen and their sacrifices more than the politics of the wars.
Personally I think the wool is often pulled over everyones eyes in terms of who the wars best interests are serving and the reasons such wars are being fought. Have nothing against americans think you are pretty good people, but that doesn't mean that I don't take an issue with a segment of your population.
Yeah, yeah protect the *freedoms* of your *friends* who is your closest friend in the middle east besides Israel? Saudi Arabia..........a democracy? No..........in fact a country that is as undemocratic as you can get.......good thing they are right wing eh? Even though they have a terrible human rights record, good thing they have a lot of oil and are friendly...well the rulers are to the U.S eh. How many of those 9/11 hijackers where originally from saudi arabia?
The C.I.A is notorious for toppling democratic govts in favour of dictators or worse if it serves *some* U.S interests. Look at chile, look at vietnam during the war. Look at a lot of stuff during the cold war......its called a cold war but more people died in armed conflict from the end of the second world war to the present than died in the 1st and 2nd world war. War by proxy is more like it. Its all about expanding spheres of influence.
Who where the big winners after the 9/11 attacks? The military industrial complex, and the U.S intelligence community. Oh and Israel. Im not saying they where directly responsible.But look at the increased funding and increased powers they have afterwards.
In the games of power and politics there are no *good* *guys* and *bad guys* it seems more like the lesser of the two evils is more the case. People might mean well but they are shackled by greed/fear/lies/ignorance/deception/intolerance and bias.
Anyway I do feel insulted when im fed that rot that the war in *afganistan* is all about *freedom* yeah right. Was more than happy to send weapons to the taliban and others to fight the russians in the 1980's, and help keep saddam in power to combate the iranians. And I resent the fact that my countries troops have to be there to die for what? If anything the actions taken in fighting this war is more of a threat to the *freedom* of americans and other people around the world.
Is there some charity where I can donate to, to help some afgan/pakistani/iraqi family that has lost most of their family members to a drone strike, or accidental bombings? I feel for the suffering of veterans from the allied countries, but forgive me for feeling some empathy for some people who are poor, have nothing and their country has been ravaged by war, in the afgans case for over 30 years all due largely to the outside meddling of superpowers.
Yes this region has its own big/massive problems, but it hasn't been helped by the meddling of western colonial powers over the years. In fact I think that meddling has directly led to the increase in extremism and fundamentalism within the region.
If its all about human rights, justice and freedom, where was the western world when china rolled into tibet hmmm? Where where we when indonesia took western papua? During all those civil wars, and genocide in africa? Not so fast to send troops then eh?
I respect most servicemen, I don't like seeing them getting hurt or killed. I don't like seeing anyone getting hurt or killed,"this includes the civilians of the *enemy* ok maybe some of the politicians and fat cats getting fatter off all the mayhem I would like to see some of them fed through the grinder.
Anyway that was a long rant, but maybe it explains my stance a little. Sorry I couldn't be more articulate or to the point.
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