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Henshin/Acrobat staff training
Nov 15th, 2013 at 11:20am
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Does anyone know if these stack?
I'm having a hard time seeing the difference with 1 line on and off.
  

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Re: Henshin/Acrobat staff training
Reply #1 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 11:39am
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They are named differently. What do you think?
  
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Re: Henshin/Acrobat staff training
Reply #2 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 11:46am
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rest wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 11:39am:
They are named differently. What do you think?

I think yes.  I asked to be certain because posts on the official DDO forum were claiming they don't, thus confusing me.
But thanks Smiley
  

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Re: Henshin/Acrobat staff training
Reply #3 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 11:58am
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They were just recently (on Tuesday) renamed to be different. That, to me, would indicate that they do in fact stack and that it is WAI.

But just remember that math never solves anything.
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 12:23pm
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They stacked before they were renamed, and they still do stack.

The most obvious way to see a difference is the to-hit mod in the weapon info part of the inventory.
  

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Re: Henshin/Acrobat staff training
Reply #5 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 2:57pm
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aDifferentHandle wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 12:23pm:
They stacked before they were renamed, and they still do stack.

The most obvious way to see a difference is the to-hit mod in the weapon info part of the inventory.


Confirmed.
  

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Re: Henshin/Acrobat staff training
Reply #6 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 4:33pm
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Also what would be the best split for a Staff build? I'm playing a 8/6/6 Ranger/Rogue/monk for the ranger past life and it was a very fun build. But since the ranger split is only for the past life, I don't really benefit from it much, but it does feel like a Staff build has a lot of potential if it's built with the right class splits  Smiley

I'm looking at 12 Fighter for Kensai or Rogue for sneak attacks.
What I'm trying to do is get a lot of doublestrike and melee attack speed as well as damage as much as i can.

With this current build i can reach up to 59% Doublestrike, only for 6 seconds tho. 44% for 10 seconds, 19% standing.
Melee attack speed a standing 15% + 30% for 20 seconds from Haste boost.
I'm not a genius in math, I'm just saying what I see on my screen, specially for the following: my regular damage goes from around 100 up to 165 and up to 260 on Helpless mobs with Sireth. My crits goes from 400 u to 3xxx. Like I said, I'm not a genius in math, I don't know what the max and best damage input you can do on a melee toon, but playing this toon i can kill EE mobs pretty swiftly and very proud with it.  Smiley

So whatya think?
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Re: Henshin/Acrobat staff training
Reply #7 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 4:46pm
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13rogue, 6monk, 1fighter imo.
  

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Reply #8 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 5:30pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 4:46pm:
13rogue, 6monk, 1fighter imo.

Awesome thanks, I'll plan a build around that split.

Another thing, should i stay dex based?
  

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Reply #9 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 5:34pm
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LOL.
  

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Reply #10 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 5:36pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 5:34pm:
LOL.

And why is that funny? Shocked
  

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Reply #11 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 6:27pm
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Halfmaniac wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 5:36pm:
And why is that funny? Shocked


That you dont know that makes it even more funny.

Dex ROFL
  
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Re: Henshin/Acrobat staff training
Reply #12 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 6:48pm
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That you dont know that makes it even more funny.

Dex ROFL

Have you guys at least seen the Rogue Acrobat enhancements line?  It makes perfect sense being halfling.
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Reply #13 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 7:11pm
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I'll tell you a secret:

the last pally PL I leveled was a drow, monk6 rogue7 pally 7, DEX based, yes it had decent dps, BUT it was a fun PASTlife build because I had a Breeze laying around and that staff is dex only, no matter what. Endgame STR still rules and I don't see that changing anytime soon or DEX even catching up at all.

Out of the Top of my head buffs that are STR only: Divine Might, Titans Grip clicky, Rage, Primal Scream, Kensai Power Surge, Rams Might (the STR +2part), profane+2/+3 (dex has only +1 via Litany) there are prolly some more I'm forgeting.

And you need 23 BASE STR for Overwhelm Crit.
DEX works for flavor fun builds but 'proper' endgame build? get outta here
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 7:52pm
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Halfmaniac wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 5:30pm:
Another thing, should i stay dex based?


No. Just no.
  
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Reply #15 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 9:24pm
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Here's the thing : there aren't enough DEX based buffs to justify going DEX based. On the other hand, there's almost no shortage of STR based buffs...
  
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Reply #16 - Nov 15th, 2013 at 11:34pm
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I love my dex rogue.

53 dex self buffed. Still need +5 tome though. Only rocking +3.
  
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Re: Henshin/Acrobat staff training
Reply #17 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 12:35am
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rest wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 11:34pm:
I love my dex rogue.

53 dex self buffed. Still need +5 tome though. Only rocking +3.


Im loving my dex Henshin/Acro atm.. 56 unbuffed dex.. +4 from tenser, 2 ship, 2 yugo.. I understand the whole "Go str or you fail because i say so" but... in the end... play how you want to play.. i like my dex build.. especially after they changed to all stats to x1.5 with 2hw instead of just str.. made a big difference on dmgs.. that being said, my henshin hits for ~80 base, crits for 300s.. but.. im not an elitist so i dont need the 100000 base dmg and 100000000000000 crits..
  
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Reply #18 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 6:36am
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Dex based acros make sense if you are on a PL build and have a Breeze (which outperforms all other sticks at this level). Otherwise, STR is your best bet. There are more options to increase STR than to increase Dex. (In this particular case, titan's grip and primal scream come to mind.) The acrobat dex to damage and dex to hit are a nice bonus to use other staves than Breeze (pre level 14, boss beaters) on a build which uses breeze as a main weapon.

I think that 13Rog/6Monk/1FVS is a better option than 1Fgt, but then, I am a sucker for Divine Might. Feats should still be enough to pick up ISA and OC.
  

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Reply #19 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 6:36am
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WILLLLMAAAA.
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Reply #20 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 9:17am
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aDifferentHandle wrote on Nov 16th, 2013 at 6:36am:
I think that 13Rog/6Monk/1FVS is a better option than 1Fgt, but then, I am a sucker for Divine Might. Feats should still be enough to pick up ISA and OC.


I knew you liked my build  Cheesy

Yes, feats are plentiful to pick up ISA and OC, since I have both Tongue
  

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Reply #21 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 9:33am
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How important is glancing blows in this build? I see many people taking the THF line, but if i take it i miss out on the extra doublestrike and attack speed from master and grandmaster of forms using Wind stance.
  

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Reply #22 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 9:38am
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Halfmaniac wrote on Nov 16th, 2013 at 9:33am:
Wind stance.

Retard.

Full THF, max  glancing blows from enhancements, Master Earth for crit range and damage multiplier.

Use Quick strike and Haste boost for speed.

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Reply #23 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 10:29am
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aDifferentHandle wrote on Nov 16th, 2013 at 6:36am:
I think that 13Rog/6Monk/1FVS is a better option than 1Fgt, but then, I am a sucker for Divine Might. Feats should still be enough to pick up ISA and OC.


I prefer fighter, primarily for the extra 3 action boosts.

1AP hasteboost is nice too.
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Reply #24 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 1:18pm
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1 FvS:
  • access to Empower Heal for Cocoon
  • free Smite [2w] attack
  • Divine Might (even a cha dumped dorf can get stacking +10 to STR)

All for a grand total of 3 AP. I'll take it over Fighter level  Kiss
  

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