When shits dead, your will save doesn't matter.

I'll try it out anyway... I can always just use a free feat swap if it's not what I'm looking for.

Thanks for the feedback.

I'd take Enlarge over most metamagic feats on shiradi wiz (but with the number of feats wiz has you don't have to choose). Double range missles are bonkers. Haven't built a serious sorc, so dunno about sorc.

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Sometimes extra SP is worth it on normal missiles. A perch spot that's a ways away from a stationary boss, or a big room like FOT where you can kite the dragons and still work on Truthful or Reaver from halfway across the room.

I'm taking it on my sorc. Fuck heighten.

cdr wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 8:12pm:


This! 100 times this!

AtomicMew wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:


I'm basically copying Rogann's Scorcher with some minor adjustments.  I went Bladeforged with a lesser LR to lose the 1 Paladin, and made a few enhancement changes to account for the Bladeforged enhancements. 

I was thinking of swapping Forced Escape in place of Elusive Target.  The 5% chance to negate damage might be nice damage mitigation, but I'm thinking getting CCed (in epic elites) can often be game over, and the ability to get out of that could be nice. 

My layout is here. 

18/2 Bladeforged Sorc/FvS

The other change is the feat swap for Enlarge, which I may end up swapping back to something else (force of personality or heighten maybe) if it turns out that I don't find it as useful/fun as I hope I will.

Props to Rogann for the original build, which looks awesome and fun.

AME2760 wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 8:32am:


I wouldn't worry too much about getting CC'ed.  The 18/2 FvS split isn't really solo optimal to begin with without the paladin splash, and during solo, you really do have to worry about high damage ranged casters and failed fort saves too.  In a group, you should be dominant with regards to kill count.  So IMO play to that strength and max out your DPS for the shock and awe factor.  Take spellpower feats instead of forced escape (which honestly, I doubt even works properly). 

Rather than enlarge, take past life: wizard for the SLA.  You get free metas on it, and it pumps out 10 missiles, which makes it roughly 3x more damage than magic missile under shiradi.  It's quite strong.  You should also shouldn't be ignoring your DCs.  Quickened meteor swarm (which by the way, already has double range as well) should be one of your most used spells in a group.  If you don't have PL: wizard, SF: evocation is not a bad feat either.  Basically, +1 DC will add ~2% damage to meteor swarm.

rest wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 9:09pm:

16 sorc/2 fvs/2 paladin (or monk)

AtomicMew wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 9:47pm:


No.


AtomicMew wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 9:47pm:


Yes.

Most people go fire (scorching ray)/air (wings, dot) or just fire. 

The idea behind 14/4/2 is intense faith 3/3 in the FvS tree.  But it doesn't work for sorc (does for wiz) because enhancements are too expensive on sorc.  You basically want minimum 36 in air (wings), 21 in fire, at least a few in warforged, which doesn't realistically allow you enough space for the 28 in FvS. 

So basically, I think the 16/2/2 split or perhaps a 15/3/2 split is better.  If you want to do the 14/4/2 split, you need to give up air and wings altogether.

AtomicMew wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 2:06pm:


Mew:

Hmm... that's kind of what I was thinking.  I've put all my sorc points into fire... I haven't really felt gimped by not having wings/knockdown immunity.  I don't often die in EE (even when soloing) even if my completions are a bit slower than I'd like.  My main goals are having as high a DPS/Crit % as possible and I feel comfortable with my level of survivability thus far. 

My main spells have been (awaken weakness) Scorching Ray/MM/Ruin/Chain Missiles/Meteor Swarm. 

I know any change would cause me to lose Meteor Swarm and dropping more than 2 would lose Otto's (which I find really useful for survivability purposes).  I was thinking of 16/4 Sorc/FvS as another option.

For my build/playstyle it seems like dropping 2 sorc in place of 2 more fvs would be an increase in DPS other things notwithstanding. 

I am curious about one thing though... am I missing something on how folks try to get stacks of conduction up as fast as possible (presumably on non-trash)?

I didn't really see a great way to rotate in regular electric spells.  Alternating scorching ray and lightning bolt or something? Or is there a spell rotation revolving around fire/elc that I'm not savvy on?   I thought maybe Eladar's (or perhaps Shiradi Procs... sonic?) might be used? 

A further increase in 20% damage seems like it would be awesome if it could be leveraged while still spamming spells to keep the damage per second up... can it?  I'd be willing to alter my spell rotation/playstyle/enhancement selection some to take advantage of this if there's a viable way to do so, particularly if I've missed something fundamental.