Most l ppl use the 4fvs levels for that 8% chance to crit with fire, force and light crits.  Which is pretty awesome.  And the +3 to caster levels are pretty nice If you plan on using energy burst all the time.
I've even considered going 12sorc/4wiz/4fvs for all of the bonuses to crit with all them damn spells, with this split if you invest in all the crits you'd be getting around 50% crit chance with fire spells, and with immolation...youll be burning everything pretty quickly.

froggy wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 3:43pm:


Chone now before you embarrass yourself any further.

froggy wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 4:06pm:


I was under the impression the Shiradi procs only procced on the first tick of dots (eladars/niacs) to include immolation?  Maybe I'm wrong (that'd be awesome if so).

AME2760 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 5:23pm:

this is right in a way, whenever the stack loses or gains a stack a proc goes off, so if I use scorching ray, in addition to the 3 rays that get a chance to proc something from shiradi so does the first gaining of the stack.  And if I were at a stack of 20 and if 6 seconds were to go by and the stack reset to 19 it'd have a chance to proc off shiradi.  Immolation really isn't my main source of power but it does pack a very significant punch.  its really just something to sub in while my mm is on timer.  And I can assure though thaylt the damage I get from immolation+procs from shiradi from using scorching ray and while using 20stacks that it is more damage that just spamming force missiles and magic missiles.

AME2760 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 3:13pm:

Yeah, you basically need to rotate scorching ray and lightning bolt.  I don't think it's worth it unless you're playing with people who are doing similar or more DPS than you.  Solo, I'm not even sure it's better than scorching ray/mm.  It's certainly way less efficient. 

You can technically, I suppose, work on building up both stacks by rotating mm/scorching ray/lightning bolt in a 1:2.5:2.5 ratio.  Seems like a lot of effort though. 

Proudexploiter wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 7:36am:


You could probably have a look at the build I posted here.  It's 18/2 Sorc/FvS Bladeforged.  I actually just LRed this morning into 14/4/2 Sorc/FvS/Pal just to cruise through the rest of the levels before Epic TRing again to see for myself if I like the build any better (all points into fire, none into air, extra into AoV). 

In any case, I didn't put points into enhancements for air (wings/knockdown), though I would say that I'm thinking of dropping some of the points in BF, losing the reconstruct SLA.  I hardly ever notice a problem with running out of spell points and the reconstruct SLA just seems a little unnecessary given that you can't use any metas with it to better leverage it as being an SLA.  That SLA seems like it would be a boon on something without arcane levels though (Barb perhaps :p)

I do like that the Bladeforged doesn't get the penalty to Cha though, so I'll probably keep the race.

AME2760 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 9:56am:


Yea, this was an option I was thinking of today as well.  I capped today and whenever any spell gets cast towards me (which is all the time), I ALWAYS fail the save, not because im a gimp with no gear, but because I just dont have those saves for like ee content, which is what I want to be able to handle, and be completely focused on running ee content.  well, I might actually go 14sorc/2pal/4fvs for the more chances to crit and a higher lvl energy burst but we'll see.

edit: misquote, but still something to talk about

Darkrok wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 4:24pm:

Heya Darkrok, it's possible to have very good saves and decent defenses on your 18Clr/2FvS, you just have to put a bit of effort into it. 




That is a SS of my Healer + Light build. In the pic, the only buffs he has are ship buffs.

When I finally get my +5 Tomes for CON, DEX, and WIS, all my saves go up by one. He'll also have over 700 HPs.

The PRR is ok (blocks 25%+ damage) and the AC isn't much to speak of but all in all, it's a pretty survivable toon.

cdr wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 7:12pm:

I did not say "Great," nor did I say "Excellent."

The +5 Dex tome would get it to 40 and GH would get it to 44. I think that's "very good." ESPECIALLY FOR A NON-EVASION CLERIC.

50-59 would be "excellent" and 60-69 would be "great," and 70+ would be "ridiculous."

cdr wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 8:10pm:


Almost 80??? How?

Here's my Insightful Reflexes Magister PM:



He's got a 68 INT and a 61 Reflex save. He doesn't have Litany, +11 Gloves, Yugo Pots or Store Pots. If he did, he'd have a 72 INT and a 63 Reflex save. Add GH for a 67.

Please detail your "almost 80" Reflex save on your Wizzie.

Munkenmo wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 9:39pm:

Ah ok, so that would make it a 72 Reflex save then. Where's he getting the other +6 or +7 to Reflex saves? He did say his was "almost 80." Did he splash Pally too for a 16/2/2 build??

Munkenmo wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 9:50pm:

Thanks for the link Munk. 

On my Shiz (Shiradi Wiz), I got 69 reflex atm. That is without +3 ins int helm, +9 resistance instead of +10, no Sup parrying item. Fully buffed I can reach 76 save.

Thanks Cdr, this build is the Shizzz!!