Anyone done it ? What does it do ? 7.45m xp seems a bit steep only for an iconic and heroic past life...

After re-reading, i really don't think 3 dodge is worth the effort =/

That iconic pl costs you 3.65m xp... I think it will have to be an Iconic, Epic and Heroic in order to be considered a "bargain", or a time saver.

�ed wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 8:40am:


Since you didn't have to do the first 14 levels, I'm okay with not handing out a Heroic PL for an Iconic TR.

All xp is easy, but heroic xp is the easiest. 1-20 takes 2 days if you take it slow, and 1 day if you do it fast. Less if you are insane. 1-15 can be done in a day. The tipping point for xp/min is somewhere around level 8 when it becomes amazingly easy to level. Level 15+ is the easiest xp in the game.

Unless the person in question has unlimited funds to spend on DDO, they are probably going to want to be farming CoV. In my experience it takes 1 day to get to 25, and 1 day to get to 28 while farming coms and xp. It takes about 5 days of epic grinding to get enough coms to ETR - enough for 2.5 ETR's. It is the same for an Iconic TR.

1 Day 15-20
1 Day 20-25
1 Day 25-28
3 Days farming CoV
= 6 Days for 1 dodge and a heroic past life (example).

Heroic + Epic TR
1 Day 1-15
1 Day 16-20
1 Day 20-25
1 Day 25-28
3 Days farming CoV
= 7 Days, with an Epic PL and Heroic PL.

The reality is that every part of the xp in this equation can be faster than i have listed, but the CoVs can't. ETR offers more value than Iconic TR. For those with trip completionist running Iconic TR's is a bit like Wookies.

Proudexploiter wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

I think he means no-life + exploiting.

2-3 dodge can free up a feat (Mobility/Dodge) on a lot of builds. It's not the worst, probably better than most heroic PLs. The PL stance isn't bad either on any build without Shadow Veil.

The 3 PRR passive is great for most builds, and the active boost is basically a free mini sprint boost - great if you're serial TRing. The +10 alignment spellpower stance is pretty good for shiradi. The +5 fort passive is good for any non-wf.

I don't object to the XP grind, what makes ITR/ETR not worth it is that if you grind the XP efficiently you probably won't even end up with 1/4th the comms you need for a TR heart. And you can't efficiently farm the heart like you can with heroic hearts in DA/Lava Caves. Heck, even running just EH quests at average 50 fragments each, that's only 40 quests to get a heroic heart. More like 200 EH quests to get I/E heart.

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And this is my point, the CoV cost is the same for an ETR as it is for an Iconic TR, with ETR's giving more value per tr. Perhaps giving a choice between having an Epic PL or a Heroic PL would make it more appealing.

�ed wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

Lol.  1-15 (2.1 million XP) in a day.  How many players are really putting in those kind of hours?   

Quak wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:


Well, they wiill be doing the Iconics just because they run out of other stuff to do.  If you are going to play the game 18 hours a day, even the E-TR grind won't take more than few months.

I used to get 1-1.5million xp per day depending on what life I was doing. (though I often did whole TR's if the missus was going out for the weekend)

In winter when it's snowing and crappy after work would be ~5 hours of gaming
in the weekends it'd be 10per day

In summer it's about 3hours per day
4 in weekends.

Personally the only Iconic lives I'm getting are Shadar Kai.  The rest are underwhelming as I've already gotten the heroic lives I want.

I put up byoh, ip, zerging lfm's (quest blank) then proceed to run as I like. I end up with deadweights 1/3 of the time, solo 2/3 of the time, and have like minded players join the other 1/3 of the time.

The math does work out.

Munkenmo wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 2:24pm:


your numbers are all over the place.  you'd get 1-1.5 mil per day on a 3 hour day?  a 4 hour day?  or a 10 hour day?

what is your avg xp/min?