�ed wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 11:24am:


Got a dungeon guide and list of consumables you are using to make this possible?

Im guessing its not for people who play for a couple of hours per night?

Sorry I can see how that was confusing: I got 1-1.5m over my 10h gaming sessions.

Ever since bravery bonuses etc though I've always expected to get 100k/ hour as a minimum.

Before XP stones, I used challenges to get 5k/min from levels 1-3 then use my openers / casting dual accounts to zerg quests.

Nowdays it's moot, with the new stones I get a pastlife within 3 hours.

Munkenmo wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 6:03pm:


Before any of the silly xp advantages was introduced I.E.stones 50% pots, Munkenmo was well known for his Quick Tr's. The trick Is simple, do not wait for groups.

Munkenmo wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 6:03pm:



thats why I asked, if the 1 day for 1-20 is with exploiting or regular gaming. with regular gaming , I didnt mean doing lvl 1-20 with xp stone . I do think it is possible to lvl up heroic life from 1-20 just with xp pots, bravery bonus etc in 1 day, but it would be a day dedicated to playing only. in such case, it is possible to get to lvl 20 during 24 hours of playing (imo 16-20 hours max).

Proudexploiter wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 4:38am:


My personal record was 32 hours (this was before 50% pots, stones etc)
I also remember when I was proud of knocking out all 3 of my barb lives in one week. 
I've never gotten it down to sub 20h in one play session.(excluding stones)  By the time all the new xp bonuses had arrived I'd stopped feeling like it was worth skipping sleep for ddo.

Neru wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 4:07am:


I feel bad now, I don't know who you are.  I also ran with a lot of people who I considered better and faster than me. I wouldn't have become such a zerger without out help from others.

Munkenmo wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:


Don't worry, I have too many alts to keep track of and no patterns within my character names. But there was about a two week period where you noticed we kept TR-ing at nearly the same pace and so would invite me and a select few others to stalk your speed runs. I think I was there for Snypa's completionist life.(Not sure about spelling).

FakeStrake wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 5:27pm:


Nah, he'll realize who I am if I gave him a list of my alts. But "Zerufa Neru" is one that mo never met. 

Confused by the value of the system ? Confused because there is no choice between Iconic and Epic Past Lives ?
I feel that as per the subject of the OP, being forced to take a heroic past life for a CoV value equal to an Epic Heart alienates those players with triple completionist, or who have plain just finished the lives they want. In particular, me.

Secondly, an ETR framework is needed for Iconic and ETR - leveling up Karma in an off destiny is frankly bullshit. Really the only person i can see doing it in Distributed.

Fact: it is harder to earn CoV than it is to get 6.6m Epic xp - Proven personally that it takes about 16.5m xp to get 4200 CoV.

I posted this for a discussion, and hopefully an incognito Turbine employee could see a compelling argument but so far all i have seen is whinging about poor levelling skills.

P.S. I am retarded, having been born with only 1 arm and three fingers, but i still manage to level faster than you.

Pay for Hearts with Time or Money.

Pay with Time to get the CoV = similar to how long it took to get the tokens to TR before Challenges and Epic levels.
Pay with Money = convenience from the store.  And every 2-3 lives you get a free one from the CoV you collected.

People have forgotten how much time and effort it took to get hearts pre challenges/epic levels.

higgildypiggildy wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:50am:


I didnt forget. It was allways easy to get tokens for TR. maybe in the very beginning of epic - when there were only desert quests to run. but after carnival it was much much easier and faster then CoVs are now.

�ed wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:34am:


That's a backpedal. OP was confused as to how the pretty easy to understand system worked, not what the value of it was.

Fair comment Munkenmo, for the uber ppl it was easy.  I wasn't then, and aren't now, an uber people.

Neru wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 4:07am:


Ah yes, the ole catapult into the end fight, then solo pull the boss. good times....good times.....