Just a build idea I had stuck in my head on how to ungimp my first life rogue.

Goals:
1) High SA and Strength based DPS = Up to 20d6 SA and 65 sustainable str
2) Strong self healing through cocoon and heal scrolls
3) Decent damage avoidance and mitigation
4) Trapper? Of course!!


34 pt, Shadar-Kai 13rogue 6monk 1fvs (or 1clr), centered with 2x Celestias, either in earth*/fire* stance

Build stats
Base:
STR: 16(8) + 7lvls + 5tome + 10item + 1exc + 2ins + 2ship = 43 (+16)... +2yugo+4tensor+5primal+11d.might = 65 str possible
DEX: 16(10) + 5tome + 10item + 1exc +2ins + 2ship = 36 (+13)... +2yugo*+4tensor = 42 dex possible
CON: 16(8) + 5tome + 10item + 1exc + 2ins + 2ship = 36 (+13)... +2yugo +4tensor+5primal = 47 con possible
INT: 12(8) + 5tome + 8augment + 1exc + 2ins + 2ship = 30 (+10)
WIS: 8(8) + 4tome + 8augment + 2ship = 22 (+6)
CHA: 10(6) + 5tome + 10item + 1exc + 2ins + 2ship = 30 (+10)... +2yugo = 32 (+11) for divine might

Feat selection

Rog   1. Gen: Toughness
FvS/Clr 2. Deity: w/e
Monk 3. Gen: Cleave, Monk:PA
Monk 4. Monk: TWF
Monk 5. Monk: Path of HB
Monk 6. Gen: G.Cleave
Monk 7.
Monk 8. Monk: Dodge?
Rog   9. Gen: ITWF
Rog  10.
Rog  11.
Rog  12. Gen: IC:Piercing
Rog  13.
Rog  14.
Rog  15. Gen: GTWF
Rog  16.
Rog  17. Rog: Improved evasion
Rog  18. Gen: Master of forms (Emp healing)
Rog  19.
Rog  20. Rog: Opportunist
Epic 21. Epic - OC: Piercing
Epic 22.
Epic 23.
Epic 24. Epic - Imp. SA
Epic 25.
Epic 26. Ed - PTWF
Epic 27. Epic - Empower healing (master of forms)
Epic 28. Ed - ? Toughness? pos. spellpower?

Enhancements

Shadar-kai:  min 15 AP for spiked chain upgrade + 2nd guile (I haven't fully tested the spiked chain to give any feedback, but its fun!)

Ninja spy:   min 28 AP for 4th SA and No mercy

Assassin:    min 22 AP for 4th SA

Shintao:     min 11 AP for Deft strikes and 3rd core

Warpriest:  min 4 AP for Divine Might

Total:        80 AP spent

Note*: For ppl who want 1 clr splash, you may have to sacrifice AP here and there, if you want Scroll mastery and/or extra turns

Gear

Goggles: Intricate field optics [+3 Cha]
Head: Black helm [+3 str or dex]
Necklace: Stolen Necklace, Resistance +9
Trinket: Planar +3 con of prowess (+3 int subterfuge swap in)
Cloak: Deadly of Wizardry X, any slot
Belt: Ogre +10 of False Life 50
Right ring: Ring of the Stalker
Gloves: Backstabber Gloves
Boots: Goatskin, +8 dex
Left ring: Health +10 of anything (Seal of Dun robar, tendon slice 10%)
Wrists: Convalescent of Sup parrying
Armor: Black robe, slot: heavy fort

Weapons: 2x Celestias, 2xDrow Shortsword of tendon slice, 2x Mournlode Shortswords, 2x

Epic Destiny

I looked at Shadowdancer long and hard, but that 2d6 unholy damage "excuse of an epic moment" is beyond craptastic.

So, do as the cool kids with LD or FotW depending on content.

Twists

1) Grim precision or Sense weakness
2) Dance of Flowers
3) Cocoon


Alright, think I put enough info on this build. Feel free to rip it piece by piece, feedback welcome!

Munkenmo wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 5:34am:


Yeah, it is kinda a filler.

Munkenmo wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 5:34am:


Iconic's major drawback ;/, no way around other than LR.

Munkenmo wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 5:34am:


It would also let me squeeze in Master of forms before epic lvls, which isn't bad but still have to waste a heart. Will see how it goes.

Munkenmo wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 5:34am:


Imp. SA has a prereq of rogue 12 and Dex 21. I didn't want to dump lvlup points, so 16base+5tome makes it.


Thanks for feedback Munk, much appreciated

Well, it looks like the exact copy of my shtick build human without Toughness, with dual Celestias instead of Sireth.

Keep to what Mo said and you'll be fine.

drop toughness, go drow, range with a shuriken, gain diety damage to SS.

Why shadar kai?

warning: have not bought them, never played one, maybe there's a good reason I don't know about.

EDIT:
NM, the SA dice, cold damage, and chain all look to be pretty epic. I take it all back.

Unless you want fom boots / Jewel cloak on all the time, shitty saves would be the biggest weakness.
How about 11 rogue / 6 monk / 3 pally ?
Imp evasion kinda pointless with great reflex.
Lose sneak die, gain DM ( with feat ), godly saves, maybe 10 amp if points to spare.

Wipe wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 7:42am:


loses 4 sneak attack dice as he no longer qualifies for epic sneak attack.

Wipe wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 4:53pm:


Meh, I wouldn't. With improved evasion I honestly don't see the point in a paladin splash vs 1 fvs.  Immunity to all that "nasty magic" is quite easily obtained.

Shameless bump.

Found another "originally unintended" synergy with my build:

Venomed blades(stance) + Sting of the Ninja(stance) + Epic Envenomed Blade (offhand) = Purple poison numbers everywhere

Additionally, this is handy since Celestias have green slot and you need that Devotion slotted somewhere (before Gauntlets of eternity) for proper cocoon heals.

Sham wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:21am:


Sprout.

Alex DeLarge wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:51am:


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