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OldCoaly Puppy Farmer Offline Why did you think this time would be different? Posts: 1564 Location: WAAHH!!!Testing stuff is HARD! Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Dec 12^th, 2013 at 11:51am	Print Post
	Now that it's gone live and we've all had time to experience it, what do people think of the changes to Secret Door detection?

	Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:43pm: they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan. Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 1:11pm: Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things. eighnuss wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm: everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am: I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy. Skoodge wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 6:54am: DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass. GooFY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm: Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence. � Meursault wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up. Meursault wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close. palmer01 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am: Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy. PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 1:24am: The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.
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Arbitoroflife Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 125 Location: Hell Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #1 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 11:57am	Print Post
	Hate it, my crafted min level 1 are almost useless.


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FakeStrake Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama, Derailment and Duping! Posts: 1584 Location: Inferno side Joined: Jul 5^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #2 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 12:04pm	Print Post
	Up to what quest level does crafted detection work, and crafted true seeing is needed?


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Some Guy Here On The Boards Ghostbaned Offline Somewhere on Korthos Island Posts: 528 Location: Thelanis Joined: Nov 3^rd, 2013 Gender:	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #3 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm	Print Post
	Eh, mixed feelings here. I do like how it tries to add an element into the game to make some classes more desirable... however... DDO drifted away from being a game that does this long, long ago. Nowadays, it's mainly about solo play with uber builds. Some games are fun when you need a cleric to heal, a tank to draw agro and take the damage, a thief to pick locks, find traps, etc... but DDO isn't like that anymore. So I miss having my tharnes goggles and such find the doors for me.


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #4 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 12:34pm	Print Post
	True Seeing (30 detect) will work through 99% of ENs and seemingly 99% of heroic elite up till level 17s or so. For pre-true seeing the L4 cove spyglass gives 10 mins of 20 detect if you don't want to use up a slot, or ML1 crafted detect item is also 20 detect. EH/EE requires investment in search. I don't think I've run into a door I can't get with my shiradi wiz's 80 search yet.


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CaptainObvious Korthos Resident Offline I may not know what I'm talking about Posts: 81 Location: Boat from Korthos Joined: Oct 10^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #5 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 3:07pm	Print Post
	It seems to be completely fine from level 1-20. Only at the VERY end of heroic levelling do you really start to not notice doors. It's a little bit of a pain in epics going around a quest on a character with no search but true seeing and being used to getting secret door optionals and bonus xp. It just gives more of a reason to group up with others though, and could create some pretty cool encounters with newer content


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #6 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 3:30pm	Print Post
	You can also buy 99-detect wands from the store, in case you forgot you can pay2win.


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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #7 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 3:30pm: You can also buy 99-detect wands from the store, in case you forgot you can pay2win. Will buying those produce brain cancer on a person that made the new mechanism? I just might go on a shopping spree.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #8 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 4:12pm	Print Post
	hated it from the moment I had to kill the skeleton in EE and EH claw of vulkoor. it's a shit system.

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exploytoften Waterworks Kobold Offline Can i haz yer stuffz? Posts: 165 Joined: Nov 9^th, 2013	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #9 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 5:48pm	Print Post
	Hate it for EE's makes it a PITA when you don't have someone with a high search.

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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #10 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 6:01pm	Print Post
	I don't get the hate personally. Put some points into search, whatever. It might be more of an issue in the future, but any character can hit every current relevant door except a couple in EE Storm Horns.


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mystafyi Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 836 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #11 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 6:09pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 6:01pm: It might be more of an issue in the future it will be. this was changed to facilitate new secret door mechanics in haunted halls. to be perfectly honest though, the main reason it was changed was simply due to the fact the current dev's could not code it properly so the entire system was changed.


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #12 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 6:01pm: I don't get the hate personally. Put some points into search, whatever. It might be more of an issue in the future, but any character can hit every current relevant door except a couple in EE Storm Horns. And the secret door behind the rest shrine in the new Cannith quest - Brothers of the Forge. On EE the DC to find it is over 95, possibly as high as 100.

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GooFY Abbot Raider Offline Just one of those days... Posts: 771 Location: Washington State Joined: Dec 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #13 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 6:28pm	Print Post
	There is no mystery here. At the same time they made the secret door changes they also introduced no-fail items in the store (as mentioned by cdr, channeling chai, above). That was no coincidence. This was not for "realism", this was not for "fun", this was not for "balanced play" or "party diversification". This was to sell shit, presumably primarily to new(er) players.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #14 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 6:31pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 6:01pm: I don't get the hate personally. Put some points into search, whatever. It's already stopped me from running quests the way I used to on more than one occasion. I know full well what I can do to deal with the situation, but I don't have the time, or patience to LR all my characters and put ranks in search. It's far easier to hate the change and stop playing. Stopping to "Search" for a door also really fucks me off.
	« Last Edit: Dec 12^th, 2013 at 6:31pm by Munkenmo »
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Gringo Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 881 Location: Prague, Europe Joined: Nov 22^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #15 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 6:52pm	Print Post
	bah, such conspiracy theories are for whining pussies who fail at searching


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GooFY Abbot Raider Offline Just one of those days... Posts: 771 Location: Washington State Joined: Dec 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #16 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 6:59pm	Print Post
	Gringo wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 6:52pm: bah, such conspiracy theories are for whining pussies who fail at searching I'd say "Nice troll attempt" but... it wasn't. I'll give it a generous 1 out of 10.


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #17 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 9:23pm	Print Post
	They should definitely have more higher-level autofind abilities. There's what, the one in shiradi and that's it?


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Astraghal Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 883 Joined: Jun 13^th, 2010	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #18 - Dec 12^th, 2013 at 11:02pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 6:01pm: I don't get the hate personally. Put some points into search, whatever. It might be more of an issue in the future, but any character can hit every current relevant door except a couple in EE Storm Horns. If only these silly whingers were living in reality and realised that Turdine have to increase profits somehow; they are a business, after all.


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Gringo Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 881 Location: Prague, Europe Joined: Nov 22^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #19 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 2:25am	Print Post
	GooFY wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 6:59pm: I'd say "Nice troll attempt" but... it wasn't.� I'll give it a generous 1 out of 10. heh, sure ...and those locked door at death Undone was placed there to sell more bell of openings:) and undisarmable force traps in Litany to sell more siberys cakes, right?


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Astraghal Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 883 Joined: Jun 13^th, 2010	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #20 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 2:57am	Print Post
	Gringo wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 2:25am: heh, sure ...and those locked door at death Undone was placed there to sell more bell of openings:) and undisarmable force traps in Litany to sell more siberys cakes, right? I just don't..


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Quak Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 298 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2013	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #21 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 3:24am	Print Post
	I dont like it at all. My True Seeing doesnt work in Epics anymore.. Cant find the hidden chests in ADQ and have no points for search (FvS). FML

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stardate2115 Dragon Raider Offline ..!.. Posts: 221 Location: bend over and ill show you Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #22 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 6:39am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 4:12pm: hated it from the moment I had to kill the skeleton in EE and EH claw of vulkoor. it's a shit system. ^^

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stardate2115 Dragon Raider Offline ..!.. Posts: 221 Location: bend over and ill show you Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #23 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 6:41am	Print Post
	there should be a difference between heroic and epic ts ... ie sandstorm goggles vs. epic sandstorm goggles

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Sim-Sala-Bim Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Wha...? Posts: 5356 Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: The "new and improved" Secret Door mechanism Reply #24 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:36am	Print Post
	^ Maybe this. Or change the name from true seeing to something else to dispel the false illusion due to name.


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