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Reply #25 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 7:24am
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You lose precise shot tree in exchange for saves and divine might. Cetus has a very nice outline for thf just change it a little if you want. https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/422550-U19-Fighter-Build-Cetus?s=50e2c...

It really comes down to playstyle. There are so many options just keep 8(min) fighter 6 monk base.

Paladin splash - No fail EE saves and divine power str using manyshot as single target burst dps
Ranger splash - improved precise shot and extra feats for deflect arrow and such
Fvs splash - Empowered healing for cocoon, divine power str, smite weakness (stack to 20 percent invulnerability). Heavier splashes get ameliorating strike. Also use manyshot as single target burst dps

  
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Reply #26 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 7:26am
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You're kinda boned if you want fighter monk X splash. +20 lesser heart doesn't let you add a 4th different class.
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Reply #27 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 7:41am
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LR20 build, assuming you took rogue levels at 1 & 12.

Base Stats
18str + all levels
14dex
17con
8int
9wis
8cha

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Human Bonus) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 2 (Ranger)

Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave

Level 4 (Ranger)

Level 5 (Ranger)

Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave

Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Defense

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons

Level 11 (Fighter)
Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical

Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Deflect Arrows

Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge

Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow

Level 16 (Monk)

Level 17 (Monk)

Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery

Level 19 (Fighter)

Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

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Reply #28 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 7:46am
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He's gonna have to tr unless he stays fighter/ranger/rogue

+20 heart doesn't let you change to a 4th class so no can do Munk.

I highly doubt he's lawful too as fighter/ranger/rogue
, so in need of alignment change.
  
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Reply #29 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 7:54am
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You can do it kind of.  I'll use the +3 LR i just carried out on Munkenmo as an example:

he was 1&2paladin, 3-18 monk, 19&20fighter.

I just LR'ed him like this:

Level 1 swapped a paladin level for a monk level, 1 paladin level remaining (1 use of my heart)

level 2 swapped a paladin level for my first wizard level. As this was the last level I had as paladin, I can swap this now to a new third class, or obviously to monk/fighter.  (1 use of my heart)

level 3, swapped a monk level for a wizard level (last use of my heart)

The LR process remembers your levels all the way through, but the moment you can completley LR out your third class you're free to change it.

Hope that makes sense.
  

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Reply #30 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 7:58am
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So you're saying swap 2 rogues for either fighter and ranger then add in monk at end right? He's still gonna need an alignment change most likely.
  
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Reply #31 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 8:01am
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Yeah, So long as he took rogue levels at 1-12. He could follow the build I just posted.

If he took his second rogue level at say 15, He'd not be able to pick up any monk levels till 15.

If I wanted to keep my 2wiz levels on munkenmo and swap the fighter levels for a third class, I'd be kinda fucked. I could only swap the level 19 fighter level to monk or wizard.  Once I've done that though, I would be able to change the level 20 fighter level, into any alignment compatible class.

Alignment changes aren't expensive, but yes, he'd need to do one, before LR'ing.
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Reply #32 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 9:35am
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You can do Cetus 12 fighter / 6 monk / 2 pally twf.
Lose a twist, get Surge, godly saves and divine might.
Either heavy blades ( drow khops and Nightmare ) or light ones ( Baliz+ Celestia ).
Have to be lawful good of course and it's a bitch to LR cause higher dex needed than thf version.
  
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Reply #33 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 11:17am
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I'm glad I read this thread only because "Douchecanoe" was an amazing thing to call Astraghal.
  
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Reply #34 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 5:14pm
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I'll double check my alignment, and ya, I'm pretty sure it's 1/12 or something like that. I was 12/6/2 with Monk for a long time too, but went Rogue purely based on some of my build goals, which are completely irrelevant now in the current game, so fuck it let's go monk again!

A couple questions on Feats though.

I've never ever ever taken GWF on any Kensei 2 build just because it wasn't required for K2 back then. could I swap it out for the GTWF that I miss, or would that fuck me over too much?

Also, what is up with TWD now?
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Reply #35 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 5:27pm
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Smrti wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 5:14pm:
Also, what is up with TWD now?


It's 5Prr, you can ditch it if you want, only picked it up cause you've got feats to burn.

Why the fuck would you take greater weapon focus?  There's absolutely 0point in taking GTWF with the enhancements I put in that planner, over 100% chance to off hand proc does not equate to additional offhand procs.
  

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Reply #36 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 5:42pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 5:27pm:
It's 5Prr, you can ditch it if you want, only picked it up cause you've got feats to burn.

Why the fuck would you take greater weapon focus?  There's absolutely 0point in taking GTWF with the enhancements I put in that planner, over 100% chance to off hand proc does not equate to additional offhand procs.


Well I like running Precision since I'm more crit based, and that 25% fort bypass is fucking sexy. Pinging the Training dummy with no buffs for 700+ with Tier 1 Pinion is fun so I can swap that out for TWD. GWF though I'm not sold on. Maybe I could actually get IPS if I wanted? All the feats are there...

for epic feats, I'm guessing Overwhelming Crit, Blinding Speed and what else? Maybe combat Archery?

Also, I only have up to +3 tomes so far. :/

Edit: am I gonna have to go Robes for this to work also? :/
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Reply #37 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 6:16pm
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combat archery requires you to have 21base Dex, i'd avoid it.

you could pick up precision as your level 24 feat.

weapon focus, are only +1 to hit, weapon spec is +1 to damage.  You won't have enough fighter levels for your second weapon spec.

Yes you've gotta wear robes, you need to be centered if you want +3con, +12prr and +1 crit multiplier and shadowfade.
  

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Reply #38 - Dec 21st, 2013 at 7:46pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 6:16pm:
combat archery requires you to have 21base Dex, i'd avoid it.

you could pick up precision as your level 24 feat.

weapon focus, are only +1 to hit, weapon spec is +1 to damage.  You won't have enough fighter levels for your second weapon spec.

Yes you've gotta wear robes, you need to be centered if you want +3con, +12prr and +1 crit multiplier and shadowfade.


I think i got everything i want to fit now. I'll post my Char planner version in a bit.
  

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Reply #39 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 12:04am
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Level 28 Lawful Neutral Human Female
(8 Fighter \ 6 Monk \ 6 Ranger \ 8 Epic)
Strength            17                  
Dexterity            16                   
Constitution        16                   
Intelligence          9                   
Wisdom              10                   
Charisma             8                   

+3 Tomes Used

Skills raised in order of importance: maxed Balance, Heal and UMD, used leftovers in Concentration and Spot, 9-10 in Jump, 1 in Tumble for skills.

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter x3
Feat: (Human Bonus) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 2 (Ranger)

Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave

Level 4 (Ranger)

Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct

Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave

Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons

Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons

Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons


Level 11 (Fighter)

Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical

Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Deflect Arrows

Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge

Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow

Level 16 (Monk)

Level 17 (Monk)

Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery

Level 19 (Fighter)

Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical

Level 22 (Epic)

Level 23 (Epic)

Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Deflect Arrows (OR Improved Sunder/Magical Training (for unlimited Cocoon)/Toughness)

Level 25 (Epic)

Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting (OR Holy Strike/DR Bypass Feat/Tactition)

Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed

Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot (OR Elusive Target/First Blood/Forced escape)


Other than being undecided on Epic feats (other than OCrit and Blinding Speed) I feel like this will be best.

Also, I think I took Rogue at 1/9, but I have a spare +0 heart I could burn to double check if you want.

As far as gear goes, idefk anymore, but I'll post what I have here too.

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Head - EH Black Dragon Helm ( Strength +3, Empty Green Slot: GFL +35, Empty Yellow Slot: Charisma +7)

Goggles - EN Dream Visor (Empty Colorless slot)/Min2 HP Goggles

Neck - EH Jorgundal's Collar/Want EE for Empty Green Slot: +7 Resistance, Empty Colorless Slot: nothing yet, but idk if it's still good

Cloak - No Clue, wearing EN Jeweled cloak with Deathblock slotted and +7 CON

Bracers - currently EN Twisting Shade/Greater Convalescent Bracers of Superior Parrying(Parry 8) Dunno what to do here

Gloves -EN Nether Grasps. Want EE, but idk anymore

Ring 1 - Seal of House Dun'Robar (Insightful Constitution +2, Dodge +4%, Stunning +10)

Ring 2 - Seal of House Avithoul (+7 Wisdom, Sneak Attack Bonus +5, Exceptional Sneak Attack Bonus +3, Improved Deception)

Belt - Tier 3 Epic Spare Hand Blue Slot: +14 PPR, Colorless Slot: Globe of True Imperial Blood) <want to keep

Boots - EH Treads of Falling Shadow EE would give me 1 more Dex, but idk anymore

Trinket - Planar Focus of Prowess (+8 Strength, Planar Focus: Prowess)

Armor - Flawless Black Dragonhide Armor; Empty Blue Slot: Heavy Fortification, but changing to Robes

Quiver - EH/EE Quiver of Poison (Venomed Ammunition) <still running Abbot quiver til I pull this

Weapons - Pinion (Good Damage), +5 Holy Burst*Metal* of Greater X Bane Heavy Pick Rapier? (Epic Base Damage), 2 x Balizarde (Good Damage, Good Damage), 2 x Triple Positive Warhammers (For Undead Giants, Truthful One, etc.)
 

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Reply #40 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 12:18am
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highlight the text in the box, then press control c

Don't use the copy to clipboard button, it doesn't work inside of a code box.
  

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Reply #41 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 12:54am
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Munkenmo wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 12:18am:
highlight the text in the box, then press control c

Don't use the copy to clipboard button, it doesn't work inside of a code box.


Sorry bout that. Fixed and condensed.
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Reply #42 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 7:08pm
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There's thoughts of TRing now, but WF or Elf?

WF gets the sexy SLA, but Elf gets bonuses to Longbows (Pinion) and Rapiers (Balizarde) as well as Doublestrike/Shot.

And then there's Human, which would require no TR, gets Damage Boost, Heal Amp, etc.
  

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Reply #43 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 7:18pm
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Stick with human you obviously don't really want to TR.

If you're running in EE I really would recommend deflect arrows, but there's a catch, It can only be taken as a monk bonus feat.

Do not take grandmaster of forms, it's a total waste of a feat slot.

Rather than spending a feat on magical training, you could pick it up from arcane archer, it's granted when you get all 3 ranks of spell points in tier 1.
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Ok, I'll change that. Any thoughts on th eED feats? Was leaning Perfect TWF/Doubleshot.

What are the popular Favored Enemies now?
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doubleshot is total crap since manyshot/10k give you -100% doubleshot debuff long after manyshot/10k has run out iirc 75/45 sec
  
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ED feats, PTWF and holystrike are my preferred options.

FE: I go Giant, EO, Human.
  

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Reply #47 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 10:37pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 9:25pm:
ED feats, PTWF and holystrike are my preferred options.

FE: I go Giant, EO, Human.


I was thinking Forced Escape since I hate my saves and really don't want to go Pally until I test it on a throwaway toon, you know?
  

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Reply #48 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 11:32pm
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Smrti wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 7:08pm:
There's thoughts of TRing now, but WF or Elf?

WF gets the sexy SLA, but Elf gets bonuses to Longbows (Pinion) and Rapiers (Balizarde) as well as Doublestrike/Shot.

And then there's Human, which would require no TR, gets Damage Boost, Heal Amp, etc.


Stop saying wf dam it. Bladeforged, an entirely different race.
  
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Reply #49 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 11:50pm
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Sham wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 11:32pm:
Stop saying wf dam it. Bladeforged, an entirely different race.


They're both fucking robots that I can't play til I go VIP again, so they're WF
  

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