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I was hoping that brain trust here at the vault could possibly help me out with a build or using the free LR or LR+20 on this toon.

I am still getting back into the swing of things after being away for 4+ months from DDO.

I had this build/toon made up before then.

Also I ask of you to please take the full 2 or 3 minutes & read the entire post :\ Thanks!

Goals/intent/design of the build & content it will be running(also I'm not VIP but own everything):

It is a perma 32 pt Level 15/16 BF Iconic toon meant to double as a challenge runner/farmer & bank toon/mule.

Also to help guildies/channel mates & my peeps run content from Level 13ish(on elite natch) to Level 18ish or so.

Usually will not be running solo almost always in a group, House C challenges/Estar challenges, Sands, GH, Madness chain,
Vale/Shroud flagging, Necro4 etc.

I am open to either using the LR+0 or the LR+20(but if we do that please for goodness sake include the class progression!).

Or even using or rolling up another toon if we have to(I have like 16 open toon slots so).

Should we keep it mostly caster based, some of those challenges are tough in conserving sp, or throw some melee into it?

It must have Ddoor obviously. DPS should be a combo of good burst DPS & sustained DPS I think/imo.

Also it should be very fast! The BF reconstruct SLA should take care of the self healing.

Gear wise I used the starter gear from the BF Iconic except replaced the left right with the ML16 master arty ring & lowered the ML on it.

Have 2 random gen 1 handed scepters glaciation +72? & ditto for earth.

Skills wise keep it the same or I should pick up ranks in spellcraft or repair instead or?

Feats I would really like to keep quicken I am not a pro caster expert player at all so.

Which meta magic feats should I keep or change otherwise? Starting stats?

Thanks in advance any feedback would be greatly appreciated! Cheers! Merry Xmas & Happy hoho! Tongue! Smiley! Cheesy!

The build is old from the old planner so no iconics at that time btw!

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Challenge farmer toon
Level 15 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(2 Paladin / 13 Sorcerer)
Hit Points: 199
Spell Points: 1140

BAB: 8/8/13
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 9
Will: 12

              Starting      Ending     Feat/Enhancement
Abilities    Base Stats   Base Stats    Modified Stats
(32 Point)    (Level 1)    (Level 15)      (Level 15)
Strength           10             10                10
Dexterity           8              8                 8
Constitution       18             18                18
Intelligence       12             12                12
Wisdom              6              6                 6
Charisma           16             19                20

              Starting      Ending    Feat/Enhancement
             Base Skills  Base Skills  Modified Skills
Skills       (Level 1)    (Level 15)      (Level 15)
Balance            1              8                8
Bluff              3              5                5
Concentration      8              22               22
Diplomacy          3              5                5
Disable Device     n/a            n/a              n/a
Haggle             3              5                5
Heal               -2             -2               -2
Hide               -1             -1               -1
Intimidate         3              5                5
Jump               0              0                0
Listen             -2             -2               -2
Move Silently      -1             -1               -1
Open Lock          n/a            n/a              n/a
Perform            n/a            n/a              n/a
Repair             1              1                1
Search             1              1                1
Spot               -2             -2               -2
Swim               0              0                4
Tumble             0              0                0
Use Magic Device   4              13               13

Level 1 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I

Level 2 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Magic Missile
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation I
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation I
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I

Level 3 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Spell (1): Nightshield
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Reconstructive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Wand and Scroll Mastery I

Level 4 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
SSkill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Deadly Ice I
Enhancement: Mighty Reconstruction I
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation II
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation II

Level 5 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Enhancement: Deadly Acid I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II

Level 6 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (2): Knock
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation III
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation III

Level 7 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (3): Displacement
Enhancement: Deadly Ice II
Enhancement: Mighty Reconstruction II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II

Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Web
Spell (3): Haste
Enhancement: Sorcerer Water Savant I

Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Sorcerer Wand and Scroll Mastery II

Level 10 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Gust of Wind
Spell (3): Chain Missiles
Spell (4): Ice Storm
Enhancement: Reconstructive Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Deadly Acid II
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation V
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation V

Level 11 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (5): Niac's Biting Cold
Enhancement: Deadly Ice III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Wand and Scroll Mastery III

Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Spell (3): Frost Lance
Spell (4): Acid Rain
Spell (5): Cone of Cold
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting III
Enhancement: Reconstructive Spellcasting III
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation VI

Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (6): Recconstruct
Enhancement: Sorcerer Water Savant II
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Mighty Reconstruction III

Level 14 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (4): Solid Fog
Spell (5): Eladar's Electric Surge
Spell (6): Acid Fog
Enhancement: Deadly Ice IV
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation III
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VII
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation VII

Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation V
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I
 



http://i.imgur.com/jWc8dq8.jpg



I have no idea for the enhancements so totally open on suggestions for those!

http://i.imgur.com/Bdzh8nE.jpg



Ditto on the spells, I am not a caster pro by any means at all, only my 2nd ever caster so!
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 25th, 2013 at 11:20pm
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Your post is tl;dr but for an instant challenge farmer 13 sorc /2 pal is excellent. I'm not going to spend weeks gearing a monk challenge farmer like some of the forumers.

Acid is by far the best element for cannith challenges. About the only thing immune to it is arcanoloths, and those die easy to other spells. Fire/elec/ice all have a lot more immune or heavily resistant creatures.

Get yourself an HE acid staff from Tor, they pop up on the AH once in awhile for nothing. Other than that, I haven't even bothered changing any of the starter gear.
  
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cdr wrote on Dec 25th, 2013 at 11:20pm:
Your post is tl;dr but for an instant challenge farmer 13 sorc /2 pal is excellent. I'm not going to spend weeks gearing a monk challenge farmer like some of the forumers.

Acid is by far the best element for cannith challenges. About the only thing immune to it is arcanoloths, and those die easy to other spells. Fire/elec/ice all have a lot more immune or heavily resistant creatures.

Get yourself an HE acid staff from Tor, they pop up on the AH once in awhile for nothing. Other than that, I haven't even bothered changing any of the starter gear.


Ditto/I agree on the gear. I used all the starter gear except the left ring I replaced with a master arty ring ML16 dropped down to ML13/14. I will grab one of those staffs.

Any tips on enhancements? So max the acid tree? Secondary element should be?

Should I max ranks in repair or spellcraft instead of concentration & UMD?

Any tips on Feats or? Thanks for your input! Cheers!
  
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Acid used up pretty much all of my AP, didn't have anything left for a second element.

I maxed concentration, don't think I took quicken. Nothing short of devashta is likely to interrupt you. UMD doesn't do anything for you.

Extend is key for kobold challenges.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:44am
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You really should only spend the minimum AP in bladeforged possible (11ap):
1 core 1
1 asf reduction
2 repair amp
1 construct stability
6 reconstruct.

my challenge farmer is a BF 12sorc/2pally/1wizard.
(level order 1&2pally, 3wiz, 4+ sorc)

1toughness (stupid paladin level),
3 empower, (wizard feat: extend)
6 quicken
9 mental toughness
12 maximise
15 improved mental toughness (or enlarge, pers preference)

Most people tell me the wiz is a bad idea, but I get a feat, 1% extra spell crit chance, for 3ap

Aside from the personal build difference, I agree with everything CDR said.
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Do you need to stay 15 for challenge farming, etc?

I'm a big fan of the 14/2 split myself.  I like having that one level 7 spell, and I like being able to wear the dragontouched docents.

On my current life, I have slotted +6 con, deathblock, and combustion 84.   That consolidates a couple of items/crafting slots for me.
  

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I find myself running the level 15 challenges quite often, getting no penalties is worth it to me.

As for armor, I just wear the infused chaos docent slotted subtle ambition (aka +2 conjuration dc's)
  

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cdr wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:05am:
Acid used up pretty much all of my AP, didn't have anything left for a second element.

Ok that's good to know.

I maxed concentration, don't think I took quicken. Nothing short of devashta is likely to interrupt you. UMD doesn't do anything for you.

I am going to attribute you not getting interrupted to the gap in our skill set, which I am not ashamed to admit to.
I just feel more comfortable at this point in taking/picking up quicken, at least until I improve a whole hell of a lot. So if I go that route, max repair & spellcraft or?


Extend is key for kobold challenges.


Yes I agree totally on/with Extend!

Munkenmo wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:44am:
You really should only spend the minimum AP in bladeforged possible (11ap):
1 core 1
1 asf reduction
2 repair amp
1 construct stability
6 reconstruct.

Ok that is helpful!

my challenge farmer is a BF 12sorc/2pally/1wizard.
(level order 1&2pally, 3wiz, 4+ sorc)

Ah, good idea!

1toughness (stupid paladin level),
3 empower, (wizard feat: extend)
6 quicken
9 mental toughness
12 maximise
15 improved mental toughness (or enlarge, pers preference)

Very helpful!

Most people tell me the wiz is a bad idea, but I get a feat, 1% extra spell crit chance, for 3ap

Aside from the personal build difference, I agree with everything CDR said.


Munk when/if you get the chance again & are in a good mood, plz repost the ss of the AP spent in the trees for the enhancements, that was IMMENSELY helpful!
Also your initial stat layout if you don't mind, just in case so I don't mess up! Thanks!


Thanks again!

Osharan Tregarth wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 2:32am:
Do you need to stay 15 for challenge farming, etc?

I'm a big fan of the 14/2 split myself.  I like having that one level 7 spell, and I like being able to wear the dragontouched docents.

Osh feel free if you are in a good mood & have the time & energy to post your build as well! Thanks!

On my current life, I have slotted +6 con, deathblock, and combustion 84.   That consolidates a couple of items/crafting slots for me.


I think it can go either way from my reading on the forums, I think it is just up personal preference honestly. That is a good gear idea though IMO.

Munkenmo wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 4:05am:
I find myself running the level 15 challenges quite often, getting no penalties is worth it to me.

As for armor, I just wear the infused chaos docent slotted subtle ambition (aka +2 conjuration dc's)


On the other hand this is a good counterpoint by Munk so. But again either 15 or 16 I think is ok.

Thanks again everyone for the input! Any other ideas on this keep it coming, links to builds or if you have any mockups of builds is greatly appreciated as well! The more details/information the better! Cheers! Tongue! Smiley! Cheesy!
  
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I don't really have a build template as such sketched out.  Just my thoughts from my current life that I'm running through. 

However, keep in mind that my goals are centered around running up a bladeforged past life, getting to level 28, and then tr'ing again.  So some of my current choices are aimed at epic stuff.

Toughness works out well as a level 1 paladin feat.  Insightful reflexes might be a reasonable second choice, if you don't want toughness at all, and you want to pump up the int skill.  True seeing tops out at a 30 search (which should be fine for most heroic doors), but with the last round of changes for how detecting/finding secret doors works out, I'm going to want to be able to find my own stuff at the higher levels.  So I don't think that you'd really want to go that route, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

On my current run-through, I left str as a dump stat..  Put con at 18, int at 16, and then maxed cha.

I'm mainly pumping the int stat for spellcraft, and so that I can afford to pump up the search skill as well.  So I'm doing.. 
Umd, concentration, spellcraft, search, repair, some balance, some jump, etc.  Depending on your tome availability and usage.

Feats...
Toughness/insightful reflexes
maximize
empower
heighten
Whatever
Whatever

For the whatever feats...
You don't need the spell focus feats anymore to qualify for the sorc prc's.  So you can drop that if you want to, or keep it.

Quicken is generally nice for making sure your spells go off, but it's not completely necessary.  With that said, I generally leave it on, just for the quicker casting.  I don't think (not totally sure tho) that the recon sla is interruptible.

Extend is also a good choice for how you're going to be using your character, but I don't have it myself.

I'm liking Munk's 1 wizard splash in there as an idea as well.  Especially for a farming toon.  It'd also let you pump a bunch of skill points into repair as a non-cross class skill.
  

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TractorsareEpic wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:17pm:
Munk when/if you get the chance again & are in a good mood, plz repost the ss of the AP spent in the trees for the enhancements, that was IMMENSELY helpful!
Also your initial stat layout if you don't mind, just in case so I don't mess up! Thanks!


Stats
10 str
6 dex
17 con
14 int (i did use a +2 tome at level 7)
6 wis
18 cha

My skill priority Spellcraft > Repair > umd (rez scrolls) > concentration > 1 tumble



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Munkenmo wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:50pm:
Stats
10 str
6 dex
17 con
14 int (i did use a +2 tome at level 7)
6 wis
18 cha

My skill priority Spellcraft > Repair > umd (rez scrolls) > concentration > 1 tumble


http://i.imgur.com/QviZcrp.png


Ok awesome sauce! Last 2 questions if your in a good mood have the time & energy to answer them.

1. Could you plz post a ss of your spell list or a reasonable facsimile there of?
    Or at least which the most important spells are? (again I am totally not a caster pro so in the dark about this!)

2. I'm 99% sure I will have to take level 16 before using the LR+20, take level 16 as a sorc level I presume after LRing
    into the new build?

Thanks again so much for your time & effort it is very much greatly appreciated! Keep up the great work! Tongue! Smiley! Cheesy!
  
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1. no chance, I've got no access to a gaming pc till early february.
Staples : Acid blast, ice storm, acid rain, haste, displace, rage, niacs dot, melfs acid arrows, cone of cold, disintegrate, blur, resist energy, web.

2. wtf?  When you roll a new character in the creation forge, tell the lord of blades something like "I don't want to continue my training"   He'll grant you enough xp to take 15. Then you are free to leave the creation forge and run to standard trainers and proceed to level up from level 2 onwards.
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Munkenmo wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:50pm:
umd (rez scrolls)



rez scroll for challenges?
  
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Munkenmo wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:50pm:
Stats
10 str
6 dex
17 con
14 int (i did use a +2 tome at level 7)
6 wis
18 cha

My skill priority Spellcraft > Repair > umd (rez scrolls) > concentration > 1 tumble





Munk I rolled this toon up, question about the frost enhancements.

I can't seem to pick the ones you have picked they require 5AP to be spent in the tree?
I can't take the 2nd autogrant it needs 5AP to be spent in the tree & the spell crit: cold II is the same way.
(very possible I'm having a brain fart here).

Only having 1AP to spend not with standing.

I'll just go grab some XP for the next 4AP to grab the rest to mimic what you have.

If you don't mind answering the question, pardon my ignorance, thanks for the help so far!

It's greatly appreciated! Cheers!

P.S. Due to chance of this bug:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432196-Warning-Mean-bug-in-lesser-rein...!

I'm not going to use my LR+20 on the existing toon, I only want to use the LR+0. So I just rolled this toon up brand new.

http://i.imgur.com/PMg8W2d.png

  
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Reply #15 - Jan 8th, 2014 at 1:22am
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Do some challenges and gain 4 more ap from ranking up.
  

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Munk, asides from the Niacs dot, what/which spells do you rotate/spam on red/purple names?

Also any other metagaming tips/tactics/ideas/strategies if your in a good mood & have the time & energy & feel like

sharing(non-fight club stuff). Thanks in advance! Cheers! Tongue! Smiley! Cheesy!
  
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