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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Jan 10^th, 2014 at 10:42pm	Print Post
	https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/434302-Buffs-and-nerfs-that-could-help... Thread I posted on the main forums with a list of buffs/nerfs that could help with game balance. Please chime in with some of your thoughts

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4346 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #1 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 1:42am	Print Post
	I dont see why fire stance needs to have a negative impact on dodge, even after it gets earth stances crit boosts. The crit boosts should definitely remain at min master forms (level 12). I also think that earth stance without the crit boost probably doesnt need a 15% dodge cap, id give it the scaling dodge reduction. Added to my post there btw.
	« Last Edit: Jan 11^th, 2014 at 1:47am by Munkenmo »
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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #2 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 2:00am	Print Post
	hm ya, true.....without the crit multiplier earth stance would prob be used less, but i can think of a couple builds at least where more defense could really help. ya and i guess removing the dodge penalty from my suggestion is good. also laughing at how im biased when i play half the builds i think should be nerfed.

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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #3 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 2:01am	Print Post
	also the crit multi at 6 was so that everyone who was playing something like cetus' build wouldn't just give up lol....

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Jelly_Muffin Stormreaver Piker Offline Just say fuckoff! Posts: 660 Location: Not in the cool kids club Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #4 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 8:14am	Print Post
	This chap says it best - "Utterly utterly pointless thread. I'm sorry that the OP wasted any brain time on this to fix a problem that doesn't exist. Your desire to normalise every build possibility is futile and pointless. What do you think "balance" actually means in a PVE game? That the gimpest build can be made to feel competent against the hardest difficulty mobs?"


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Dullknife Merkinspotter Offline Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #5 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 9:15am	Print Post
	TL;DR (I got bored in the preamble where you try to justify yourself) all wishful thinking anyway. With incoming players council turdbine will pay even less attention to forum posts like this, as they will expect their newly "elected" unpaid peons to sift through the BS for them.


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DDOcrackhead Stormreaver Piker Offline Worlds: Khyber, Wayfinder Posts: 523 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #6 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 1:14pm	Print Post
	Since when does Turdbine give a damn about suggestions in the forums? lmao Wow what a long, useless wall of text! You think a dev really wants to read this and is itnerested in your personal views? Hehe, this is the most amusing thread as of today.
	« Last Edit: Jan 11^th, 2014 at 1:16pm by DDOcrackhead »
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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #7 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 2:50pm	Print Post
	Don't nerf anything UNLESS what you're nerfing is TRULY gamebreaking. Instead, buff other things (classes, monsters, etc.) to even things out.

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Zhalian Dragon Raider Offline Drama is best served fresh. Posts: 280 Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #8 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 6:29pm	Print Post
	Turbine has never "nerfed" anything with less than a nuke when it needed a tap from a hammer. They should do nothing but buff unless its directly costing them money. (just because I know they won't leave that alone)

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Ra DQ Assaulter Offline yawn Posts: 415 Location: In your closet Joined: Jan 1^st, 2014	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #9 - Jan 11^th, 2014 at 11:49pm	Print Post
	Dullknife wrote on Jan 11^th, 2014 at 9:15am: TL;DR this


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HairyO Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 355 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #10 - Jan 13^th, 2014 at 4:47pm	Print Post
	Dullknife wrote on Jan 11^th, 2014 at 9:15am: TL;DR (I got bored in the preamble where you try to justify yourself) all wishful thinking anyway. With incoming players council turdbine will pay even less attention to forum posts like this, as they will expect their newly "elected" unpaid peons to sift through the BS for them. They will listen as much to the player council as they will ML, which is almost zero unless you are the 1 or 2 people they actually appreciate. The ironic thing is, Maj is more active here than ML. Or am I just stirring... we all remember the melt down the last time some big leaks happened here


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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3482 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #11 - Jan 14^th, 2014 at 1:02am	Print Post
	Quote: LD: Master's blitz now gives only 15% dodge bonus and the damage is now only 15% bonus per stack Dodge bonus was broken since its inception, it never bypassed max dodge cap of 25%. Quote: Quivering Palm base DC is now 10+half heroic levels+wisdom This is not a nerf. QP dc atm is 10+ half monk lvl+ wisdom. It is clear to me that you barely know what you are talking about and the rest of your wall-of-text is pretty much based on what you read from the wiki. Asking for game balance? The last thing I want is for a 17-year old to dictate how my game should be played. You are free to shove your suggestions were the sun doesn't shine.


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C8H10N4O2 Korthos Resident Offline Sarlonan Posts: 11 Joined: Dec 22^nd, 2011	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #12 - Jan 14^th, 2014 at 11:34am	Print Post
	As mentioned below. Who gives a crap about balance in a PvE game. Fix bugs, don't waste time on "balance". Jelly_Muffin wrote on Jan 11^th, 2014 at 8:14am: This chap says it best - "Utterly utterly pointless thread. I'm sorry that the OP wasted any brain time on this to fix a problem that doesn't exist. Your desire to normalise every build possibility is futile and pointless. What do you think "balance" actually means in a PVE game? That the gimpest build can be made to feel competent against the hardest difficulty mobs?"


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Half Elf Creeper Waterworks Kobold Offline Fer.nan.do thinks I'm hawt Posts: 131 Location: Ghallanda Joined: Nov 22^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #13 - Jan 14^th, 2014 at 11:39am	Print Post
	C8H10N4O2 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 11:34am: As mentioned below. Who gives a crap about balance in a PvE game. Fix bugs, don't waste time on "balance". Far too logical for Turbine, but you are dead on. I agree 100%.


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HairyO Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 355 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #14 - Jan 14^th, 2014 at 2:57pm	Print Post
	So we all play Monkchers and Sorcs. How awesome. The reason why you sometimes nerf the OP is to avoid the WoW situation where a level 80 toon has 12k HP and a level 90 toon has 150k HP. The power creep has made the game ridiculous for anything other than end game (which is ridiculous enough with bosses with 200m HP). It was fine at 60. It was fine at 70. It started going downhill a lot at 80. Kind of like DDO. Fine at 20. Starting to go downhill at 25. Really silly at 28. And who knows how farcical it will be at 30.


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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #15 - Jan 14^th, 2014 at 4:14pm	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 1:02am: Dodge bonus was broken since its inception, it never bypassed max dodge cap of 25%. This is not a nerf. QP dc atm is 10+ half monk lvl+ wisdom. It is clear to me that you barely know what you are talking about and the rest of your wall-of-text is pretty much based on what you read from the wiki. Asking for game balance? The last thing I want is for a 17-year old to dictate how my game should be played. You are free to shove your suggestions were the sun doesn't shine. on the QP thing, I was unsure of the DC calc for that, coulda sworn i read something about cha being added in, but I'm prob thinking of kukan do or something.... also you're the one who insists on making his forum account name an innuendo, quite mature.

	Terebinthia wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:26pm: the Wayward Lobster is a retard petting zoo.
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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #16 - Jan 14^th, 2014 at 4:40pm	Print Post
	kierg10 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 4:14pm: on the QP thing, I was unsure of the DC calc for that, coulda sworn i read something about cha being added in, but I'm prob thinking of kukan do or something.... You might have been reading the thread where munk was theorybuilding max QP dc, where he added in the cha bonus to tactical feats from PDK. kierg10 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 4:14pm: also you're the one who insists on making his forum account name an innuendo, quite mature. Psst... go read/watch A Clockwork Orange before taking on anyone's SN...

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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #17 - Jan 14^th, 2014 at 4:52pm	Print Post
	Starkjade wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 4:40pm: You might have been reading the thread where munk was theorybuilding max QP dc, where he added in the cha bonus to tactical feats from PDK. Psst... go read/watch A Clockwork Orange before taking on anyone's SN... oh that was what that was, and lol okay...

	Terebinthia wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:26pm: the Wayward Lobster is a retard petting zoo.
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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #18 - Jan 14^th, 2014 at 6:05pm	Print Post
	kierg10 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 4:14pm: on the QP thing, I was unsure of the DC calc for that, coulda sworn i read something about cha being added in, but I'm prob thinking of kukan do or something.... Shining Star

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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3482 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #19 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 5:34am	Print Post
	kierg10 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 4:14pm: also you're the one who insists on making his forum account name an innuendo, quite mature. I haven't used my forum account in over 2 years, not even for your thread...


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Darth Anonymous Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 366 Joined: Nov 28^th, 2012	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #20 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 5:43am	Print Post
	These two threads will be as productive & successful as a peace plan in the middle east.
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Dullknife Merkinspotter Offline Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #21 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:46am	Print Post
	HairyO wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 4:47pm: They will listen as much to the player council as they will ML, which is almost zero unless you are the 1 or 2 people they actually appreciate. The ironic thing is, Maj is more active here than ML. Or am I just stirring... we all remember the melt down the last time some big leaks happened here I never said they'd actually pay attention to PC, it'll probably just be another excuse to not pay attention to any and all suggestion threads.


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HairyO Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 355 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #22 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 4:48pm	Print Post
	Dullknife wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:46am: I never said they'd actually pay attention to PC, it'll probably just be another excuse to not pay attention to any and all suggestion threads. But it will help the Devs hit their KPIs in ideas ignored. The real problem with Turbine is they are too small. The people that come up with the ideas are the people who then expand on those ideas and then implement those ideas. They can spend dozens or even hundreds of hours working on their new baby. By the time it even hits ML they are so heavily invested in their update that they refuse to budge no matter how negative the feedback. Maybe this council has one benefit. They council will review ideas very early in the piece, long before Devs have become committed to it, so they will be willing to change.


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Zhalian Dragon Raider Offline Drama is best served fresh. Posts: 280 Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #23 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:04pm	Print Post
	The problem in the past has been anyone that doesn't love their new idea gets kicked out of the preview program for being mean to the devs. So all that is left is the yesmen.

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HairyO Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 355 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Nerfs and buffs for game balance. Reply #24 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:01pm	Print Post
	Zhalian wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:04pm: The problem in the past has been anyone that doesn't love their new idea gets kicked out of the preview program for being mean to the devs.� So all that is left is the yesmen. I would say its more a case of yes-men, and people who have to politely hint that there is maybe something of a small problem which should hopefully be looked at by the Devs - when what they really want to do is shout from the rooftop how incredibly unbelievably short-sighted and stupid the change is and that the playerbase is going to revolt (which of course turns out to happen pretty much every time). But then again, the playerbase complains about everything, and everything is always the worst. So maybe it makes sense that the Devs do nothing more than pay lip-service to ML and Lamania, and will do no more than that with the Council. They dont even use them solely for finding bugs - which should be the minimum they do.


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