majmalphunktion wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:46am:


Not exactly.
Well from my point of view, as a recently upgraded Frog it's not a race condition, but it's linked to the DAT files.

Before I upgraded my PC was the following :
- 230Gb 7200rpm Western Digital HDD
- Pentium D930
- ATI 7950 graphic Card.
- Windows XP SP3.
- 4Gb of RAM.

DSL Max which compute for my line length to 4.8Mb/s up, 1Mb/s Down.

I always had a red connection logo when I first entered the game, and while I was loading ( after a crash ) I always could talk into party ( while the only thing I was seeing was the loading screen ). While I had that, my HDD was working like a mad.

I upgraded with the following :
- 2 120Gb SSDs ( Intel ) 
- 1 160 Gb SSD ( Intel )
- Windows 7

All the rest stayed the same.
For whatever reasons, I failed at the Installation check and I'm too lazy to do it again, so my Windows 7 is installed on the HDD.
DDO is installed on one of the SSD.

Since DDO is on the SSD I don't have the red link down signal and I've cut my loading time a lot.

It's consistent with the fact that the preloader solve the crash on logging issue by preloading in memory the DAT files.

For me the problem is tied to the DAT files, they are full of things that can be removed and of duplicate of the same data ( or various versions of said data ) and would need to be streamlined.

If you reduce the file size you will reduce the number of crashes.

It's not steam. Turned off windows firewall, ran DDO without preloader from the directory rather than through steam, and bang, red X again, exactly the same as before.

The Oracle wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 4:53pm:


Wow, freaking epic bro! +1! ! ! ! Lolz!

OldCoaly wrote on Jan 20^th, 2014 at 10:09pm:


no shit Oppenheimer.  if you ran a business THAT SELLS SHIT TO PEOPLE which demographic would you target? 

1-broke-ass, can't afford to upgrade my PC every seven years players let alone buy TPs or VIP

2- people who actually spend money

The Oracle wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 4:53pm:


Nice graph, really nice. Not going to comment about it though, it would end on Topic. 

TractorsareEpic wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 5:09pm:

You just made the Oracle's day, thanks. 

Flav wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:01am:



I dont have the red login software flaw when loading ddo from my ssd. I do when loading ddo from a 5400rpm WD HDD on the same machine. The ONLY difference between the 2 loads is the speed at which my drive can read/load the fragmented pile of shit data files.

It seems to me, that ddo's disconnect timer runs out before the slow HDD can read the massivily fragmented dat files. Now before anyone gets stupid and suggests defrag, I am speaking of the dat file and not the hard drive. As I am sure Maj knows, turbine purposely disabled the exsisting datdefrag tool that was used for lotro and ddo. It could be just too much for those drives with slow random read speeds.

I have no idea at this time what the addition of the ddo preloader would do. I will have to download and test later this week.

Maj, if you would send me an old copy of datexport.dll from lotro Version 3.2 please I will defrag your dat files to see if that changes the outcome.

Arkat wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:42pm:


Forge 2 yes?

The Oracle wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 4:53pm:


Awesome, thank you Oracle! I love the longer views, I have lately been saving images in the hopes of stitching them together for longer views, but now you are providing them 

The Oracle wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:03pm:


Has anybody done a "who" on G-land and, say, Orien on a Saturday night to see if twice as many people are logged on?

OldCoaly wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:34am:

great post, Coal, I'm not going to quote the whole thing, but I cheered when I read it.

Don't read logins as people. It's just logins. now if people were say...duping, and switching characters, or pulling the ethernet....

huh.

majmalphunktion wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 9:01pm:

With a higher level cap and epic destinies, I found that I was playing fewer characters since I knew I wouldn't bother taking some builds to 25 or 28.

Only one made it to 25 before I took my first break in April 2013. With two days of running quests since August 2013, level 28 isn't even on my to-do list, and I've only run quests on 2-3 of my 12 character slots. Most of those characters have no enhancements.

I'm not sold on this being a real, permanent change that will result in improved outcomes, but it will be interesting to watch. If you could prove that Rowan gives a rat's ass about the playerbase by taking concrete actions like fixing the login bug and giving players a UI option to hide obscene garbage like the astral shard re-roll button, I'd be able to scavenge up some hope. Until then, same old, same old, I'm afraid.

I do sincerely appreciate your work, and your gluttony for punishment. Thanks, majmal, for being the one person on the team who bothers to even show up. I hope that when you talked about your own corner of the forums that it meant you're keeping the mouth-breathing moderators away. You need your own fiefdom.

majmalphunktion wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 9:00pm:


At least increase the disconnect timer to avoid the pain of the disconnect after the slow load they probably are experiencing. An added benefit is that you could mess up the disconnect related exploits. oh my