Test it yourself.

There's your answer.

Shiradi what?

Divine Caster? Arcane Caster? Thrower?

I do read stuff, and I don't go to school.

rest wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 3:36pm:



but you did.

Lazy.

I haven't tried a monkcher, but I think I'd still prefer shiradi caster.  Why? 

ddoor
grease
teleport without scrolls
delayed blast fireball for breaking all the barrels. 
Superior AoE
Very few quests are SP restricted
In groups, you can turn on maximize

Of course, monkcher single target DPS is unmatched and doesn't rely on SP.  So if you want to solo EE LoB like shaatan, monkcher is arguably better.

I like Shiradi sorc or wiz. Go Bladefored get Recon spell and the SLA. They're both on seperate cool down healing for 600+ each. Kite and spam forever!!

I like the 16/2/2 QP monk builds. Take 2 druid and do stupid dumb things. It gets grazing hits from ee red names, 120 ac, 150 prr. Doesn't need blitz, or a displace spell. Stun and or qp every 6 seconds. 

Cetus 12/6/2 is also fine. But you need to be blitzing and displaced. Twist or feats for no fail saves reaching 80. I don't have SoS shard so can't test swing speed and crit range but i think it's 13-20. Kensai Cleaver is 17-20 around 100 swings a minute hasted not twitching.

AtomicMew wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 4:48pm:


Good post.

My 4 main characters, and thus preferred EE builds:

A. Elf FoTW Shuriken/Monkcher Hybrid. (Adrenaline/Slayer - Manyshot/Pinion, 10K with Shuriken (60-64 Dex), Overwhelming Crit, Monk stances, Dex to Damage, Max Dodge, stupid high saves from 2 pally)

B. Shiradi Missle Spammer 15Wiz/FvS/Monk with a Shuriken Max ForceSP/Crit (Spams for Shiradi procs, rengens SP, CC's with Nerve Venom on procs and Shuriken, Pin, Whistler, Weapon Effects)

C. BF 10M/6Ranger/4Pally Monkcher LD (Pretty Classic Monkcher, mine recons and has 68 Str with DM)

D. BF 10Ftr/6Monk/4Pally LD Blitzer (similar to Cetus)

So I guess the answer: doesn't matter. It's all fun, and they're all at the absolute top of the DPS/Utility Potential scatterplot (that's what I call it and it mostly exists in my mind) so it's really more about:

1. Do you have the gear and tomes?
2. Do you know the quests well and their mechanics?
3. Is your playstyle one that utilizes the optimal way the build is played?

These are all MUCH more important questions than the 4th which is:

4. Does either Monkcher or Shiradi Spammer potentially edge the other out by 5-10% in this specific area or even overall?

Because the above 1-3 cumulatively will have a far greater impact (in my mind) on your ability to be effective with either of the 2 or 3 top builds for EE.

If you have the gear, you know the quests, and you mash buttons well, quickly, and consistently, probably Monkcher, for all around bad-assery. The burst and red named damage that never runs out is just TOO GOOD. This also goes for adequately built, equipped, and played Shuriken builds, though I believe this is only true in FoTW, due to a large amount of a Shiradi Throwers damage coming from Helpless effects, which of course don't work on Red and Purple named.

Shiradis run out of SP sometimes solo'ing (or if you don't, you're casting at very reduced capacity until you can fill up again), which in the longer and harder quests I think puts them just ever so slightly at disadvantage to Monkchers/Throwers, but really it's negligible, and not worth sweating. There are always Mnemonic pots after all.

It comes down to playstyle preference, all answers here will be met with a persons individual bias.

My answer, depends on the quest,
But it will be, munkenmo (monk), rangenmo (monkcher) or nukenmo (shiradi wiz)

The length of time spent getting to a quest and how easily I can get to the boss fight is the primary factor in my choice. If ive gotta spend an age traversing an explorer zone and can zerg through the quest, monk speeds + sprint boost + step will win overall.

Tldr, depends if blitz monk, fotw archer, or shiradi arcane is faster for the given quest.

Epoch wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 1:02am:


My monk
My monk
My lovely handwraps junk

cdr wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 12:19pm:


lol.

You're playing wrong.