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2x Mornh. TWF (con based Dwarf) request
Jan 22nd, 2014 at 7:09pm
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I am wondering if any one has started one out as a kensai/monk?  Preferably con based and a dorf of course
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 7:16pm
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I believe Sergod had something like that kicking around, don't remember details, though.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 7:22pm
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Hopefully he chimes in. The details and sketch in my head seem solid but ap/feat tight.  And  I'm not sold on a level split yet
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Reply #3 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 7:28pm
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Not con based, but I has one.
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 7:30pm
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Starkjade wrote on Jan 22nd, 2014 at 7:16pm:
I believe Sergod had something like that kicking around, don't remember details, though.


His was a human fvs based with longswords. Close though.
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Reply #5 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 9:00pm
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rest wrote on Jan 22nd, 2014 at 7:28pm:
Not con based, but I has one.

Would you post it?  I can try modding it around a bit with a base idea.

It would be appreciated
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Re: 2x Mornh. TWF (con based Dwarf) request
Reply #6 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 9:36pm
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Its not particularly hard.

8fighter,6monk,6ranger.
12fighter,6monk,2x

Take your pick which you'd prefer, then go from there.

If 2x, answer.
Do I want : divine might / empower heal, or cha to saves, or trap skills, or rams might + empower heal, or an extra sp based cleave.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 10:11pm
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rest wrote on Jan 22nd, 2014 at 7:30pm:
Close though.


I get all the good Sarlonans confused from time to time.

Now post a build, Serrestenmodrilbuted.
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Reply #8 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 10:26pm
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Why CON based? Is there a Dwarven enhancement, ability or otherwise that uses CON for +to Hit and +to Damage?

If so, when was it put in???
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 10:34pm
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http://ddowiki.com/page/Dwarf

Throw your Weight Around.

Axes: You may use your Constitution modifier to determine the damage you deal with battle axes, dwarven waraxes, hand axes, greataxes and throwing axes.

Picks and Hammers: You may use your Constitution modifier to determine the damage you deal with heavy picks, light hammer, light picks, mauls, throwing hammers, and warhammers.
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Reply #10 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 10:40pm
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Arkat wrote on Jan 22nd, 2014 at 10:26pm:
Why CON based? Is there a Dwarven enhancement, ability or otherwise that uses CON for +to Hit and +to Damage?

If so, when was it put in???

Yes for DMG.  Throw your weight around.  Top of their tree.

What about 8F/9M/.      3 Druid/arti
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 10:42pm
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TractorsareEpic wrote on Jan 22nd, 2014 at 10:34pm:
http://ddowiki.com/page/Dwarf

Throw your Weight Around.

Axes: You may use your Constitution modifier to determine the damage you deal with battle axes, dwarven waraxes, hand axes, greataxes and throwing axes.


Also a hammer/pick version
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 10:58pm
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Shadehater wrote on Jan 22nd, 2014 at 10:42pm:
Also a hammer/pick version


Yup your right. Added/edited it in. My bad.
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 11:01pm
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Ahhh...thanks.

Hmmmm...
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 11:03pm
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Question: Mornh has +10 to Stunning. Will Throw Your Weight Around also allow you to use you CON modifier for things like Stunning Blow and Improved Trip instead of your STR modifier?
  
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Reply #15 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 11:04pm
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Reply #16 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 11:10pm
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So probably best to be STR-based then.
  
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Reply #17 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 11:32pm
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You still use the appropriate stat for tactics, you still need 23str for OC. Its definately best to stay str based.
  
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Reply #18 - Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:01am
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Honestly, I think it's too expensive to go that far into the dwarven tree for the con to damage stuff. You need 43 points into kensai to get centered with hammers. and you want the PRR stuff from tempest and from shintao. and enough from ninja spy for shadow fade.

Give me a bit and I'll log into him and see what I did. He was 2 toons ago so I'm not 100% clear on what I did.
  
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Reply #19 - Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:03am
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And, as pointed out, stun/trip/sunder are still str based. His stun isn't as great as a wis based monk. I think it's only in the low 60s. But it still seems to work ok.
  
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Reply #20 - Jan 23rd, 2014 at 4:02pm
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Yeah trip a stunning blow are not priorities. Stunning fist with hammers should be ok

19 ap dwarf. 43 kensai. Yeah 18 will probably mean 11 shadow fade and losing 7 ap for Shintao

Undecided. I guess I need to play with it a bit and see what is acceptable to cut and if it's worth it.  I wonder if losing the threat rang on kensai is ok with the knowledge that you get it back from Jugg

Worst case I just stay human. But I was really hoping this would work out
  
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Reply #21 - Jan 23rd, 2014 at 4:45pm
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Can't stunning fist with hammers.
  
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Reply #22 - Jan 23rd, 2014 at 4:47pm
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Besides, even if it worked, how would your wisdom be higher than your str?

  
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Reply #23 - Jan 23rd, 2014 at 5:33pm
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I thought fist was wis based.  And for some dam reason thought it worked like fist of iron (I.e) with weapons Sad
  
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Reply #24 - Jan 23rd, 2014 at 5:36pm
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Shadehater wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 5:33pm:
I thought fist was wis based.  And for some dam reason thought it worked like fist of iron (I.e) with weapons Sad

Stunning Fist IS Wisdom-based.

Just won't work with weapons besides handwraps.

Stunning Blow is STR-based.
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