AtomicMew wrote on Jan 30^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:


Really? Those staff options suck. You can't get 2 elements. One-handers are the way to go with that system.

Persiflage wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 6:15am:



I'm not worried, that's not Flawless Red Dragon Scale. or worse Flawless Green Dragon Scale.

What worries me is that it's yet another unknown number of shitty collectable that will end up in the Green Bag. As if there wasn't enough thing going in that fucking green bag already.

Flav wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 6:21am:


Yes more crap to put in the green bags because they know there's so much duped crap floating around.

Asheras wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 9:13am:


Silky wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 6:33am:

I know an old coder who came up with crafting
(Sung to the tune of "I know an old lady who swallowed a fly")

I know an old coder who came up with crafting.
I don't know why he came up with crafting, perhaps it's doom.

I know an old coder who came up with Dragontouched.
He came up with Dragontouched because Greensteel was too slow
But I don't know why he came up with crafting, perhaps it's doom.

I know an old coder who came up with Incredible Potential
He came up with Incredible Potential because Dragontouched was too hard
He came up with Dragontouched because Greensteel was too slow
But I don't know why he came up with crafting, perhaps it's doom.

I know an old coder who came up with Alchemical Crafting
He came up with Alchemical Crafting because Incredible Potential was too random
He came up with Incredible Potential because Dragontouched was too hard
He came up with Dragontouched because Greensteel was too slow
But I don't know why he came up with crafting, perhaps it's doom.

…

Maybe somebody else can come up with more verses, I'm bored already.

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Asheras wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 9:13am:


Why?  Let me show you why, and I'll use a pretty extreme example:
lets have these high end items made using prayer beads, you know, the ones that every other kobolds drops in the harbour. 

Oh, look you have 1000's of them already and you can make the items immediately and there is no need to run the quests relating to the items at all.

That's why new ing are necessary.

higgildypiggildy wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 12:57pm:


If only they could make base items that you could only find in quest.  do they have the techmology?  naaaaahhhhh.

higgildypiggildy wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 12:54pm:


You're right, I reached too far in using the term unanimous.
You are far too important to be ignored.
I should have been more specific and said nearly everyone except Higgildypig.

Many of the comments, and those on the motherforums are saying "not another friggin system!".  Why is that if I am wrong?
Our statements are not mutually exclusive.
I was actually thinking a system like Greensteel too.  Call it Greensteel 2 for all I care, but extend Greensteel into Epic levels/endgame.
Or extend the recipes for Cannith Crafting up to 25 (this year) and then 30 next year.
The difference between the two systems is that Greensteel is simply an ingredients collection system mostly tied to a single raid (some ingredients and altars are now available outside that raid).  Turbine would need to balance access to ingredients with directing traffic to certain content.  I would guess that they would need to ensure the ingredients come from more than 1 or 2 raids.
Cannith Crafting introduced another layer of complexity calling for crafting experience to unlock recipes.  This arguably gave more depth and longevity to the system, as people had to aspire to the higher level recipes.  The counter argument is that it made it less accessible too.  The beauty is that with a bit of spit and polish the two could be updated and even co-exist.

What people are most worried about is a completely new system, with all new friggin ingredients, mechanisms and processes, that makes all other systems completely redundant.  Why?  What is the point of that?  And when the dev that codes that shiny new system leaves, it falls into disrepair like all the others.
Rather than build a new system - extend one of the more successful existing ones (which includes Greensteel). 

higgildypiggildy wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 12:54pm:


Go fuck yourself and stop trying to be a smartarse, it doesn't suit you.

I called it as I saw it, and it's fine that you disagree, but it would help if you engaged your brain before fingers and paused to consider what I said.
So is the new system like Greensteel as the "vast majority" wanted?  In your opinion, did Turbine listen?

Flav wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 7:36am:


Agreed Flav. That would be my Utopian solution, but it will never happen.  So I set my sights a little lower. 

Turbine will not see enough short term profits in such a grand system re-design.  Nothing tangible to sell.

And I have to agree with some that Turbine are so paranoid about the duped ingredients that they will design a new system deliberately not to use those just to spite them.

higgildypiggildy wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 5:15am:


Weird.  I thought the game designers could set the drop rates.  so the base items always have a common drop rate?  no matter what?  like CiTW?

DropBear wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 7:55am:


And yet they did it for Enhancements. So why not for Crafting? Not that I disagree with you, I'm just pointing out how inconsistent Turdbin is.

I'd love to see them rework, consolidate, and simplify crafting, even if it meant my stockpiles of materials and hours of grind in Cannith Crafting dropped in value. Understanding crafting shouldn't take more effort than studying for the GREs.

I wouldn't mind leaving crafting alone and focusing on content. I wouldn't mind expanding an existing system to be more useful. But adding a whole new system (and new ingredients) to the confusing jumble we already have is annoying and frustrating.

And as to not having people run the new content, well, if the content isn't interesting enough to run on it's own, making a loot grind to push people into it isn't really a winning strategy in the long run.

Yobai wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 11:49am:



I haven't given up on ESOS and already have an EAGA... Never really tried Torc.

Now what I've utterly given up is Yellow 'Redarded Drop Rate' Dopant.
Except as 20th reward I haven't seen one in any Shroud I've done since it's in game ( 100ish, mostly full parties, mostly Elite, not one from any of the 4 chest at the end for anybody in the parties. )