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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #250 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 7:06am	Print Post
	Shuy wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 7:03am: Oh and Piloto will be missed just as much as TRD. I agree. If they have laid off one of their most senior guys who was one of the ones who had a chance of understanding the spaghetti code, doesn't sound like they are really interested in making any further real changes. That plus laying off a good content person doesn't exactly give me the warm fuzzies... I suspect broken things will stay broken even more from now on. DDO appears fragile, and if those with the background leave, it will become more so.


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Rasczak Stormreaver Piker Offline Instant Human...Just Add Coffee Posts: 668 Location: South, Way South Joined: Oct 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #251 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 7:21am	Print Post
	Shuy wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 7:00am: I find that FoS posting a lot here now is bullshit. When people needed you on the main forum when you had your job, you didn't give a shit about them/us (at least MOST of the times). Asshole. You really don't get it was a business with bosses do you? Continue though, I'm keen to see what kind of hole you dig.


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Shuy Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 613 Joined: Jun 29^th, 2013	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #252 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 7:39am	Print Post
	Rasczak wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 7:21am: You really don't get it was a business with bosses do you? Continue though, I'm keen to see what kind of hole you dig. Lol no. HE HIMSELF asked for feedback, reviews, suggestions on a shitload of things and we were just IGNORED. You make any excuse you want for him. We are still better without him.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9984 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #253 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 8:44am	Print Post
	Quote: I am QA Manager in Fruits and Vegetables. I have renamed my department in "Bureaucracy and Lies". I can say it another way : I'm a support engineer for a telecom equipment company. QA is performed by our customers if it hasn't been caught by our Installation and integration crews. My only added value is that I have a good imagination to find believable reasons for problems... It's the Moon Phase, it will be better with the New Moon is a regular one. ( and yes there's customers that buy it )
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	Yes my avatar is an Hermine eating a Greenland Lemming for brunch.
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grimorde Dragon Raider Offline eh whatever... Posts: 223 Location: Sarlona Joined: Aug 11^th, 2013	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #254 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 8:52am	Print Post
	my company is firmly in the category of testing..


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majmalphunktion Major Motherfucking Malphunktion Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 283 Joined: May 20^th, 2011	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #255 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 9:35am	Print Post
	Starkjade wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 1:19am: Mr. Firefly has a position open for you in Fredonia. Hail Hail Freedonia!


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majmalphunktion Major Motherfucking Malphunktion Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 283 Joined: May 20^th, 2011	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #256 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 9:36am	Print Post
	Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 6:16pm: If you still have a job at Turbine please avoid distributing any Valentines day cards on pink paper to prevent mass hysteria and panic. Holy shit.


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arko Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 101 Joined: Jan 22^nd, 2014	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #257 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 10:04am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 8:44am: I can say it another way : I'm a support engineer for a telecom equipment company. QA is performed by our customers if it hasn't been caught by our Installation and integration crews. My only added value is that I have a good imagination to find believable reasons for problems... It's the Moon Phase, it will be better with the New Moon is a regular one. ( and yes there's customers that buy it ) Nothing beats Cisco's go to explanation of c. External cosmic radiation from space, such as solar flares. https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-10918


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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #258 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 10:36am	Print Post
	majmalphunktion wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 9:36am: Holy shit. Maj's first use of naughty talk on the Vault. They grow up so fast.� (the pink Valentine thing was pretty funny)
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	A half-dozen boss Vaulties donated generously with real money to my classroom during a fundraiser in May 2015 to get poor kids books to read. I won't forget that. They know who they are, and they freaking rule. Disavowed wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration. Artorias wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 2:15pm: Good grief Meat, you're hopeless. You would label the simple act of taking a shit as someone obeying the divine law of nature to leave a proof of existence.
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #259 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 11:24am	Print Post
	totally wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 6:04am: that have been completely ignored as "low business priority", usually related to technical debt that both I and the testers know will cause infinite misery in the future, if not for us, then for whichever poor sod comes after who has to maintain and re-test the shit lasagna being piled onto our plates by bureaucrats. Yeah, this happens often, and it's usually the result of a shortsighted manager/corporate culture that truncates the cost equations way too early. If you don't factor in the extra effort to make additions around buggy systems, re-testing costs, customer support costs, and loss of customers in the future, many very expensive bugs look quite cheap to live with. And they are - for a little while. If you plan to pad your resume and get out in a year or two, or at least be prepared to abandon ship as soon as your poor decisions start catching up with you, that approach can be profitable for the individual. The problem is, it isn't really best for the company in the long haul. I think a lot of what Rowan is struggling under is the technical debt (nice phrase!) left. But unfortunately, he still seems to be running a deficit rather than working to pay down the debt. I think he's running a smaller deficit, but still a deficit. Maybe running a deficit at this point and hoping for an effective stimulus really is the best option he has left, but I know for me and the crowd I play with, nothing he's talking about is likely to get us to spend again as long as the problems are still there. So putting new stuff before fixes results in cost - cost - payoff, but putting fixes before new stuff would be cost - payoff - cost. Oh well, I'm actually looking forward to maintenance mode, I'll get to spend more time playing and less time trying to figure out how to work around what they just meddled with.

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Dullknife Merkinspotter Offline Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #260 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 11:34am	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 11:24am: Oh well, I'm actually looking forward to maintenance mode, I'll get to spend more time playing and less time trying to figure out how to work around what they just meddled with. Truth be told, DDO needs a solid maintenance cycle to iron out a lot of the bugs. Whether they've picked the right people to let go or not is a different thing altogether, and despite little to no knowledge of coding structure, in their position I'd be sorely tempted to tear it down and start over. I'm pretty sure that's too much of a "tough choice" for Varg to make though.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9984 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #261 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 11:35am	Print Post
	arko wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 10:04am: Nothing beats Cisco's go to explanation of c. External cosmic radiation from space, such as solar flares. https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-10918 Honestly we already had burned up that one when we came with the Moon phases. It was a little bit more than 10 years ago and it was about downtime for the brand new MMS centers. ( the system that handle all the MMSs from a telco )... and we we just couldn't tell them one more time that it was due to yet another crappy Sparc CPU that fried. So we had to become inventive. Cosmic Ray was one of the first bullet we punched to hide fried CPUs... And after a long line of less and less plausible causes came the Moon phases. ( after that one we were flat our of excuses... but at least the system was stabilized somewhat : every CPU that had to fry had fried... The new ones were more resilient )

	Yes my avatar is an Hermine eating a Greenland Lemming for brunch.
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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #262 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 11:57am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 11:35am: Honestly we already had burned up that one when we came with the Moon phases. It was a little bit more than 10 years ago and it was about downtime for the brand new MMS centers. ( the system that handle all the MMSs from a telco )... and we we just couldn't tell them one more time that it was due to yet another crappy Sparc CPU that fried. So we had to become inventive. Cosmic Ray was one of the first bullet we punched to hide fried CPUs... And after a long line of less and less plausible causes came the Moon phases. ( after that one we were flat our of excuses... but at least the system was� stabilized somewhat : every CPU that had to fry had fried... The new ones were more resilient ) I used to blame El Ni�o. Some clients would laugh. Some would just believe me. It worked as an explanation more often than not, though.


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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #263 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 12:23pm	Print Post
	Dullknife wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 11:34am: Truth be told, DDO needs a solid maintenance cycle to iron out a lot of the bugs. Whether they've picked the right people to let go or not is a different thing altogether, and despite little to no knowledge of coding structure, in their position I'd be sorely tempted to tear it down and start over. I'm pretty sure that's too much of a "tough choice" for Varg to make though.� But if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice! Yeah, I agree, they've needed that for a while. And they wouldn't even need to make it just maintenance, they could probably work in new quests that didn't change any mechanics. It reminds me of one of my favorite CodelessCode Koans http://thecodelesscode.com/case/33

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Bobbicus Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 315 Joined: Feb 14^th, 2014	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #264 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 12:25pm	Print Post
	So, who else thinks getting rid of the developer whose big contributions were "Impossible Demands" and "House of Rusted Blades" is a step in the right direction?


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Bigdickrichguy Horoluth Raider Offline I'm gunna put my dick<br />in your vag.<br /> Posts: 2096 Joined: Oct 10^th, 2013	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #265 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm	Print Post
	I look forward to the game operating better as a result of Turbine having no employees.


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Dullknife Merkinspotter Offline Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #266 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 12:49pm	Print Post
	Bigdickrichguy wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm: I look forward to the game operating better as a result of Turbine having no employees.� At least we know who to blame when the next big fuckup occurs.


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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #267 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 1:28pm	Print Post
	Dullknife wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 12:49pm: At least we know who to blame when the next big fuckup occurs. U21?

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #268 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 1:33pm	Print Post
	Meat-Head wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 10:36am: (the pink Valentine thing was pretty funny) which also outs everyone over 40. do the brats even know what pinkslip means? the young punks these days probably expect to get fired with a text or a tweet.

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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OldCoaly Puppy Farmer Offline Why did you think this time would be different? Posts: 1564 Location: WAAHH!!!Testing stuff is HARD! Joined: Jul 1^st, 2011	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #269 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 1:47pm	Print Post
	Bigdickrichguy wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm: I look forward to the game operating better as a result of Turbine having no employees.� MajMal scoffed when I suggested that Turbine might be operating under the assumption that they could be profitable without selling anything if they reduced costs far enough.

	Groo The Wanderer wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:43pm: they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan. Darth Anonymous wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 1:11pm: Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things. eighnuss wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm: everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am: I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy. Skoodge wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 6:54am: DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass. GooFY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm: Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence. � Meursault wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up. Meursault wrote on Nov 12^th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close. palmer01 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am: Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy. PersonaNonGrata wrote on Oct 4^th, 2016 at 1:24am: The DDO devs aren't motivated by a positive user experience.
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Sgtgig Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 172 Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #270 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 3:23pm	Print Post
	Shuy wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 7:00am: I find that FoS posting a lot here now is bullshit. When people needed you on the main forum when you had your job, you didn't give a shit about them/us (at least MOST of the times). Asshole. Love him or hate him, he was one of the most active devs on the official forums for a really long time. Not so much the last few months but with the amount of shit he got I can't blame him. Quote: I'm kinda afraid about the fact that ChainsawGolem was the trap maker in TH/HH. I've heard DCs there are INCREDIBLE high at the moment. git gud scrub


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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #271 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 3:47pm	Print Post
	OldCoaly wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 1:47pm: MajMal scoffed when I suggested that Turbine might be operating under the assumption that they could be profitable without selling anything if they reduced costs far enough. he's in QA, not finance. do you think he'd even know?

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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arko Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 101 Joined: Jan 22^nd, 2014	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #272 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 4:00pm	Print Post
	Yobai wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 3:47pm: he's in QA, not finance.� do you think he'd even know? He is part of the DDO dev management team as well


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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #273 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 4:06pm	Print Post
	arko wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 4:00pm: He is part of the DDO dev management team as well are devs in finance now or something? the dev managers might get budgets for their depts/projects, but most employees outside of finance depts don't have a freaking clue about how well their company is doing. didn't maj post something about how Turbine had this good/great year in 2013? so how much does he really know regarding the numbers. not saying he's stupid, just he probably has no access to that information and outside of a vague notion or internal rumor, he probably has no idea about such things.

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Darth Anonymous Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 366 Joined: Nov 28^th, 2012	Re: turbine layoffs Reply #274 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 4:33pm	Print Post
	to expect majmal or anyone else who works for Turbine to post the absolute truth about upper level Turbine plans and decisions would be foolish. We are game players not stock holders. We will most likely find out this game is done when they stop selling multi month subscriptions. But honestly this is just fucking swords and sorcery not drones and arab terrorists.


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