I am away for work 2 weeks out of 3 and every time i'm away i need to log in twice to be able to play at all. The first time i log in i always get the red symbol of death then the connection to the server is lost.

On second try the loading is faster and everything is fine ish.

I'm wondering if it is on my end or provider or Turby? And of course also wondering if it is preventable at all.

Ever since I started using the preloader I've never had a bum login.  I can't say for sure whether it has any effect on zoning crashes, but they certainly aren't more frequent with it.

Also getting a SSD fixes this. 

My game was originally installed on a HDD and i used to have these issues. 
I looked up a program that can move installed programs from one disk to another and used it to move DDO to my SSD so i don't have to go through the hassle to uninstall, reinstall and redownload the whole game again.

No connection issue so far and not using Preloader.

Could i be getting a small external solid state for online games and keep utilizing my hdd for documents and files?
A big ssd is a tad pricey.

Cynic Rhodes wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 12:10pm:


You will really want an SSD for online games. I can tell you it will help with ddo, lotro, eve, poe, gw2, nwo, ect ect.

Arkat wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:47am:


It's not a single reason...

I'm hit by the dual login problem on my work laptop ( I5, W7 64b, 4Gb Ram, Intel Graphics, slow HDD. )
I'm not hit byt the dual login on my main computer ( Pentium D920, 4Gb RAM, W7 64b, Radeon 7850, 7200rpm HDD + 3 SSD  ) even when it was on the old configuration (  Pentium D920, 2Gb RAM, W XP, Radeon 7850, 7200rpm HDD ), though I had crashes at the usual transitions for that.
( I don't crash anymore now )

from my point of view it's something linked to the DAT file fragmentation ( yes they are fragmented despite what Turbine says ),  the DAT file size, the HDD speed, the graphic card capacity and the processor.

Flav wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 2:25pm:


The reasons are pretty well documented in the preloader thread on the mother forums.  That guy even included his code to help turbine fix the issue, but it's turbine... even with someone else writing good code, they can't make it work.

One more time...vaporware.

Halfmaniac wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:38am:


You don't need to reinstall - you can just copy the directory.  Handy if you want to play from USB stick on different machines.  Also good if you have multiple machines running it.
Not so much of an issue now as you can multi-box from one client.
Reinstall everything occasionally is good maintenance on the data files though.  Although some speculate that the installed files are already a mess..... 

SSD definitely made a difference for me.

DropBear wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 2:35am:


If they are not a mess from a fresh download, they will be after the mandatory update to get the game to the current revision.

Vendui wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 2:09am:

I didn't have much trouble though, it moved the files as fast as the regular moving/copy-paste technique.  The program is meant to move files and redirect registries, i was mainly concerned about that.  Every program works differently, i used to do it like you with other games and programs and get a lot of issues.  Better safe than sorry.

But now i know it works this way with DDO, thanks for the tip.

Flav wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:



The vault was never "what it used to be". Nothing ever is. Looking back everything was either utterly amazing or absolutely hat-shittingly bad.

Halfmaniac wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:


Except, DDO has no Registry requirements, it is virually a stand-alone client.. capable of running from any source, even via wireless USB.. XD