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Reply #25 - Feb 26th, 2014 at 1:33pm
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iliveyourdream13 wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 1:27pm:
People who understand the tech/vc/finance game will get it as soon as I explain it.  I don't feel like explaining it to more than one qualified resource, that's all.  Why would I either, so some knucklehead can tell his dad who might also be tech/vc/finance?  That just makes prices go up for me.

Understood and makes sense to me.

I hope you find the right guy. Hopefully someone with a good head on their shoulders.

I agree with you on the starting a business part as well. I run my own so I know from where you are coming.

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Arkat wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 1:33pm:
Understood and makes sense to me.

I hope you find the right guy. Hopefully someone with a good head on their shoulders.

I agree with you on the starting a business part as well. I run my own so I know from where you are coming.

Good luck!

Thanks. 

You gotta fish a lot of lines if you want to catch anything.  Costs me nothing to post here, and if there's someone who reads it and talks to us and they're down with coming on for what we're trying to accomplish, everyone involved is a winner.

People forget there's more than one way to make money in this world by answering a newspaper want ad, or waking up and slaving away for someone else every day, or just bitching about how shitty their life is.

But, I still love the bitching on here, may it never stop.  Even if one day I'm part of a group that owns DDO.  I'll still sign on here and tell everyone to fuck off personally.  Grin
  
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Reply #27 - Feb 26th, 2014 at 1:56pm
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iliveyourdream13 wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 1:32pm:
A hole in the water you throw money into, absolutely not.


It's not so bad when it's funded by other peoples money Cheesy

Over here it's depreciation is also tax deductable, I just need to take a couple of clients out on it per year.
  

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Munkenmo wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 1:56pm:
It's not so bad when it's funded by other peoples money Cheesy

Over here it's depreciation is also tax deductable, I just need to take a couple of clients out on it per year.


Entirely true.  The best projects are those funded by other people.

The people at the top of this thing have heli-ski money, but I'm sure they have boats to.
  
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rest wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 12:49pm:
what about bo staff skills?



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rest wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 1:31pm:
Do you own a boat?


You can't stop me motherfucker cause I'm on a boat!

  
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Check out this http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/The%20Decline%20of%20MMOs.pdf and the site http://www.mud.co.uk/.

I can't verify if this guy is any good - saw this link on reddit - but it sounds like what you are looking for.
  
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varz wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
Check out this http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/The%20Decline%20of%20MMOs.pdf and the site http://www.mud.co.uk/.

I can't verify if this guy is any good - saw this link on reddit - but it sounds like what you are looking for.


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varz wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
Check out this http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/The%20Decline%20of%20MMOs.pdf and the site http://www.mud.co.uk/.

I can't verify if this guy is any good - saw this link on reddit - but it sounds like what you are looking for.

That was cool.
  

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This used to happen to me all the time as a waiter - people with 'business ideas' would constantly try to recruit me. Initially, when I was naive, I'd meet these people for coffee, see what they had to say. It soon became clear they were hacks wasting my time - and theirs.

Anyone who has a compelling idea and some business savvy isn't going to shotgun some website hoping to find the perfect business partner. That's what hacks do - people who haven't got the foggiest what they're doing or want to take advantage of others.

Business savvy people know where to look, know what they're looking for and hold targeted interviews with carefully vetted people.

So...let's pretend you're not a hack and I've got the skills you're looking for. Why should I give you my years of hard earned experience for your promise of potential money when I can contract with real businesses earning real money on exciting and new ideas that are, even now, transforming the computing and entertainment landscape?
  
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iliveyourdream13 wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 10:51am:
I know right.  Sometimes you have to fish in the swamp.


can be lots of tasty fish, shell fish and crustaceans in swamps mate. The areas can also often act as nursing grounds for nearby marine ecosystems. Wetlands are beautiful and diverse, to mention an important part of our planet.
  
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Reply #36 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 2:14am
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Some of you guys really are a bunch of juvenile asshats.
The OP's request was pretty clear and simple.
Why does it require a flame?  So you can be funny and get in some cheap shots?

Maybe you should feel slightly validated that they are seeking non-conformists, rather than straight down the line gamers.

The OP's motivation are not all that relevant unless you are seriously interested and qualified, but they have taken the opportunity to explain.
So what's the problem.  If you think they are trolling, ignore it and move on.
Someone considering taking over the DDO licence - so what?
Is it possible - sure for the right price.
Is it likely - possibly not, lots of issues, depends how determined you are.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a change of ownership/mgmt as I think Turbine as a whole have done a poor job of managing the IP.  I'm not talking about devs, content or in-game minutiae, but the strategic decisions of the game.

To my mind, turning DDO around is definitely possible - even given the aging game engine.  Some of the latest content (Stormhorns) is visually impressive.  But eye candy doesn't retain players - play experience does.

What would it take:
I think it would take someone who understands Customer Service.  Turbine suck at this, and it is such an idiotic and low cost thing to remedy in an MMO, and would help with player retention.  Better GM's, more authority to fix problems, professional bug reporting, and make someone's KPI in CS be number of complaints resolved, rather than complaints closed!  Happy players means less players leaving which is a good thing.

It would take a concerted effort to remove as many serious game play bugs as possible, and tweak the balance of things based on informed player feedback (so you end up with game diversity and not just parties of friggin monkchers).  So improve the game experience of those playing - lots of people express their annoyance at game breaking bugs that are largely ignored.

Lastly, you would actively advertise your product to key demographics.  And make the stuff you do publish actually look professional, not like someone's kids low-res junior school project.  Essential to bring in new players and revenue.  DnD has a large and loyal player base across several generations - it should be targeted.

None of these are hard or particularly unique, and once these are bedded down, work on the tier 2 issues of new content etc.

So someone with a fresh set of eyes and a checkbook could easily eek some more years out of DDO - maybe even fund a DDO2 with updated and more development friendly game engine.  Who knows - none of us can see the DDO P&L, so it's hard to say how financially lucrative it could be.

Good luck to the OP.  Hope it works out and you do it right.
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iliveyourdream13 wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 10:51am:
I know right.  Sometimes you have to fish in the swamp.


Watch out for gators!
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Hiding wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 1:10am:
This used to happen to me all the time as a waiter - people with 'business ideas' would constantly try to recruit me. Initially, when I was naive, I'd meet these people for coffee, see what they had to say. It soon became clear they were hacks wasting my time - and theirs.

Anyone who has a compelling idea and some business savvy isn't going to shotgun some website hoping to find the perfect business partner. That's what hacks do - people who haven't got the foggiest what they're doing or want to take advantage of others.

Business savvy people know where to look, know what they're looking for and hold targeted interviews with carefully vetted people.

So...let's pretend you're not a hack and I've got the skills you're looking for. Why should I give you my years of hard earned experience for your promise of potential money when I can contract with real businesses earning real money on exciting and new ideas that are, even now, transforming the computing and entertainment landscape?


You get any offers to work in the porn industry?
  
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Hiding wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 1:10am:
This used to happen to me all the time as a waiter - people with 'business ideas' would constantly try to recruit me. Initially, when I was naive, I'd meet these people for coffee, see what they had to say. It soon became clear they were hacks wasting my time - and theirs.

Anyone who has a compelling idea and some business savvy isn't going to shotgun some website hoping to find the perfect business partner. That's what hacks do - people who haven't got the foggiest what they're doing or want to take advantage of others.

Business savvy people know where to look, know what they're looking for and hold targeted interviews with carefully vetted people.

So...let's pretend you're not a hack and I've got the skills you're looking for. Why should I give you my years of hard earned experience for your promise of potential money when I can contract with real businesses earning real money on exciting and new ideas that are, even now, transforming the computing and entertainment landscape?


Word of mouth is a very powerful tool in recruiting.
But modern recruiting now uses everything in their arsenal - social media, internet and media.  It is not an indication of being a hack.  Internet and social media is cheap and fast - sure you have filter a lot more, but sometimes it pays off.

I can think of a few reasons why the OP might try the Vault.
Many of us here are non-conformists and like to push the limits on things to discover what is possible.  This could be considered a predilection to risk taking, which is required for an entrepreneur.
Also, the OP is casting a wide global net that no network of contacts could reach so quickly.
The OP may not work in the MMO development industry and thus have few connections, but a business interest in breaching that industry.

And you have answered your own question of why should you consider it?
You shouldn't consider it because you're not a risk taker and have better opportunities, so take them instead.
Not everyone is an entrepreneur - some don't like the uncertainty and stress.  Other have personal circumstances that don't support it.  Each to their own.
  
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NaturalHazard wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 2:19am:
You get any offers to work in the porn industry?


Other than your mom?

(your comment is funny, Naturalhazard)
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Hiding wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 4:04am:
Other than your mom?

(your comment is funny, Naturalhazard)


My mum tried to recruit you? You must have some talent, she only produces gay porn though.
  
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DropBear wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 2:25am:
Word of mouth is a very powerful tool in recruiting.
But modern recruiting now uses everything in their arsenal - social media, internet and media.  It is not an indication of being a hack.  Internet and social media is cheap and fast - sure you have filter a lot more, but sometimes it pays off.

I can think of a few reasons why the OP might try the Vault.
Many of us here are non-conformists and like to push the limits on things to discover what is possible.  This could be considered a predilection to risk taking, which is required for an entrepreneur.
Also, the OP is casting a wide global net that no network of contacts could reach so quickly.
The OP may not work in the MMO development industry and thus have few connections, but a business interest in breaching that industry.

And you have answered your own question of why should you consider it?
You shouldn't consider it because you're not a risk taker and have better opportunities, so take them instead.
Not everyone is an entrepreneur - some don't like the uncertainty and stress.  Other have personal circumstances that don't support it.  Each to their own.



hahaha, I live in Tokyo and know quite a few headhunters. They don't use online forums to recruit people for top jobs.

Not a risk taker, huh? I work in an extremely competitive sector where 90% of the people fail.  The thing is - and the reason people are mocking the OP - is b/c we've all seen this before and it rarely turns out to be the rough, uncut gem its purporting to be.

But, yeah, send him your contact info and see what happens. I wish you both success, tons of money, and hope you own whatever IP it is you're setting off to.  If that turns out to be DDO or Turbine, I hope you turn it into the best game on the market.
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Hiding wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 4:12am:
hahaha, I live in Tokyo and know quite a few headhunters. They don't use online forums to recruit people for top jobs.

Not a risk taker, huh? I work in an extremely competitive sector where 90% of the people fail.  The thing is - and the reason people are mocking the OP - is b/c we've all seen this before and it rarely turns out to be the rough, uncut gem its purporting to be.

But, yeah, send him your contact info and see what happens. I wish you both success, tons of money, and hope you own whatever IP it is you're setting off to.  If that turns out to be DDO or Turbine, I hope you turn it into the best game on the market.


I agree that they don't use the internet to recruit "top jobs" if by that you mean the c-suite and other exec roles?  I did not interpret the OP's post as seeking an executive - maybe I am wrong?  I thought he was looking for someone with specialised knowledge of the MMO industry - which could be a producers, an academic or an MBA/analyst in that sector.
Sadly, this is not me, so I was not responding from the point of view of a potential candidate.

Upon re-reading, I did not intend the "not a risk taker" part to come across in a negative way, so sorry for that.  Your emphasis on real businesses earning real money indicated that you don't give much credence to start ups and entrepreneurial enterprises.
My interpretation of your comments was that your skepticism gave an indication that you were not likely to take this seriously, because you had less risky ways of earning an income.
And I understand what you were saying - there are plenty of BS artists out there, no doubt.
But if I had the skills, background and interest in MMO development I would think it was worth a chat at least.
  
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My mum tried to recruit you? You must have some talent, she only produces gay porn though.


At first I didn't understand why your dad was in the film too.
  
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I agree that they don't use the internet to recruit "top jobs" if by that you mean the c-suite and other exec roles?  I did not interpret the OP's post as seeking an executive - maybe I am wrong?  I thought he was looking for someone with specialised knowledge of the MMO industry - which could be a producers, an academic or an MBA/analyst in that sector.
Sadly, this is not me, so I was not responding from the point of view of a potential candidate.

Upon re-reading, I did not intend the "not a risk taker" part to come across in a negative way, so sorry for that.  Your emphasis on real businesses earning real money indicated that you don't give much credence to start ups and entrepreneurial enterprises.
My interpretation of your comments was that your skepticism gave an indication that you were not likely to take this seriously, because you had less risky ways of earning an income.
And I understand what you were saying - there are plenty of BS artists out there, no doubt.
But if I had the skills, background and interest in MMO development I would think it was worth a chat at least.


Correct, this is not about hiring execs.  It's about finding a resource that can provide a certain bit of specialized knowledge and opinion, and if things move forward, actual on the ground expertise.  Again, if someone fears we're going to rape their brain, then they can simply stop talking to us, it's not like we're going to imprison them.  Not that I'm surprised by the suspiscion or fealty to the button-down corporate approach.  People in this world fear pretty much every-goddamm-thing, hence the explosive proliferation of safety equipment. 

You don't use headhunters to do what we're talking about doing.  I could pay a headhunter to source someone for an idea that isn't even proven fully has legs.  That sounds like a viable plan to waste my money.  And how I got into this deal-making world initially was because my partner and I's skill sets overlap and his wife is an artist and in one capacity I'm in the art business.  Nepotism runs a lot of the world, for the uninitiated.  You meet interesting people, you cut interesting deals.  Had a friend offer to sell me his warehouse distribution business in LA last year after having a short conversation.  I don't need such a thing, yet, but only cause I don't have an immediate plan to use it.  I like pulling resources from unusual venues to make projects happen.  I've done it all the time for my existing companies.  Talent is talent, doesn't matter how or where you find it.  I can sift most talent in a conversation.  And besides even if someone's not a fit, maybe they'll fit something else in the future.  All a head-hunter does is take away a whole basket of connections to people I probably want to know in the interest of finding one person.  Since I've lots of things I'm interested in, the dormant connections are almost as valuable as the final resource.  I respect head-hunters, but what me and my partners care about more is people with hunger and fire in the belly.  We can sort that ourselves, and the people who don't qualify might be useful later for some other reason.

75% of startups fail.  None of mine have and I have multiple in different capacities.  Sure, I could just be lucky, or not.  I like to think I know how to run shit cheap, which is the key quite often to being successful.

By all means, critique my methods, that's certainly fair, but I can hardly critique the results I've gotten from them on a small scale.

But hey, some people have responded and that's all I expect.  To the rest that think their methods are the only ones that work, you might want to re-evaluate that.  No method is fool-proof.
  
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This used to happen to me all the time as a waiter - people with 'business ideas' would constantly try to recruit me. Initially, when I was naive, I'd meet these people for coffee, see what they had to say. It soon became clear they were hacks wasting my time - and theirs.

Anyone who has a compelling idea and some business savvy isn't going to shotgun some website hoping to find the perfect business partner. That's what hacks do - people who haven't got the foggiest what they're doing or want to take advantage of others.

Business savvy people know where to look, know what they're looking for and hold targeted interviews with carefully vetted people.

So...let's pretend you're not a hack and I've got the skills you're looking for. Why should I give you my years of hard earned experience for your promise of potential money when I can contract with real businesses earning real money on exciting and new ideas that are, even now, transforming the computing and entertainment landscape?

Never been a waiter, so I don't understand how this happens, outside of what, LA?  Also have never recruited a waiter for anything.

I never said anyone had to give me anything beyond a background, and that's just to keep them from wasting their time?  Where do you get that you're going to be anally probed for information?  I wish I had the power to just rip people's knowledge out of them unawares, then I would be a true mindflayer.

I actually don't know who watches the Vault, any more than I know the exact makeup who watches the Mother Forums.  I'll give you an example from a local music forum that eventually turned into a local city forum.  Virtually no politician in a city of 2m+ people posts on it, but you better believe they're staff reads it, and they'll respond in reality to things that blow up on it.

You don't have to trust anything I say.  But, if you have to pay silos of employees to do your vetting for you, I feel for you.  Some of us can vett people without a need for HR employees.  We can sort business deals in our mind because we know how business works.  I appreciate the self-validation that the corporate pyramid brings for its denziens, but some of us get along just fine with minimal interaction with it.  Mind you, organization never stopped any place from being its own den of corruption and thieves.
  
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Hiding wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 1:10am:
This used to happen to me all the time as a waiter - people with 'business ideas' would constantly try to recruit me. Initially, when I was naive, I'd meet these people for coffee, see what they had to say. It soon became clear they were hacks wasting my time - and theirs.

Anyone who has a compelling idea and some business savvy isn't going to shotgun some website hoping to find the perfect business partner. That's what hacks do - people who haven't got the foggiest what they're doing or want to take advantage of others.

Business savvy people know where to look, know what they're looking for and hold targeted interviews with carefully vetted people.

So...let's pretend you're not a hack and I've got the skills you're looking for. Why should I give you my years of hard earned experience for your promise of potential money when I can contract with real businesses earning real money on exciting and new ideas that are, even now, transforming the computing and entertainment landscape?


Bingo.

Any business plan that starts with the opening monologue from Taken and ends with please send money to a prince in Nigeria is exactly the kind of business for the Vault.

Where can I sign up? I'd like to send the prince $2500 via paypal  Grin

  

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DropBear wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 2:14am:
Some of you guys really are a bunch of juvenile asshats.
The OP's request was pretty clear and simple.
Why does it require a flame?  So you can be funny and get in some cheap shots?



It sounded like the following to me, and thusly received a post commensurate with the offer.
  

            
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Re: I need someone with a special type of MMO skills
Reply #49 - Feb 27th, 2014 at 2:51pm
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I got some ocean front property in Colorado to sell ya...
  
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